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Ron Hainsey Comparables Addendum
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Kevin McCartney
May 29, 2013, 19:02 EDTUpdated: May 29, 2013, 17:31 EDT
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It only took nine minutes for my suggestion that the Jets badly need Ron Hainsey to meet resistance in the twitter-sphere. In this case, the argument came from Mitch Kasprik (@WpgJetshocktalk), a writer for Hockey Talk and THW (The Hockey Writers) and a long-time WHL Scout. When he talks, I’m inclined to listen. He wrote:
Garrett Hohl (@garretthohl) from Arctic Ice Hockey came to Hainsey’s defence, citing very difficult role. I thought it would be fun (you heard me, tables are fun) to have a look at the other defencemen who had similar years to Hainsey. More twitter battle and numbers below the break.

Who compares to the great Ron Hainsey?!

Okay – so how good was he? I had to start with some rules. i’ve been staring at Hainsey’s stats all day, so I just made up a little list of rules that I thought fit his assignment this season. They are a bit arbitrary in that regard, so I’ve listed them below. The stats I want to compare as ‘outcome measures’ of success are: 5×5 points per 60, first assist % (% of assists that were 1st assists), offensive zone start/finish differential (zone finish % – zone start %), and relative corsi. I want to know how good Hainsey was at pushing the puck toward the opposition’s end compared to other players in similar circumstances.
Rules:
Rel Corsi Quality of Competition between 0.8 and 1.5
Offensive Zone starts <50%
5×5 TOI between 16 and 20 minutes a game
PK TOI over 2 minutes per game
Agreed? If not, leave your thoughts in the comments and I can adjust our parameters.
With those rules in mind, who fits the bill? It’s a pretty big and varied group (organized by quality of comp).
NAME
TEAM
GP
TOI/60
Corsi Rel QoC
Off Zone Start %
SH TOI/G
CARLGUNNARSSON
TOR
37
17.12
1.422
39.8
2:35
SHEAWEBER
NSH
48
19.4
1.372
42.6
1:55
ZDENOCHARA
BOS
48
18.55
1.207
45.8
3:12
RONHAINSEY
WPG
47
18.76
1.144
44.2
2:57
MIKEWEAVER
FLA
27
16.31
1.116
48.3
3:19
ZACHBOGOSIAN
WPG
33
18.81
1.115
45.3
1:59
DANGIRARDI
NYR
46
19.58
1.079
47.5
3:02
JOHNNYBOYCHUK
BOS
44
17.1
1.077
48.8
2:31
JONASBRODIN
MIN
45
19.14
1.046
46.9
2:00
RYANSUTER
MIN
48
20.51
1.04
49.9
2:07
ANDREWMACDONALD
NYI
48
18.55
1.005
45.9
2:47
TRAVISHAMONIC
NYI
48
18.16
0.991
45.9
2:44
BARRETJACKMAN
STL
46
15.9
0.971
42.5
2:44
BRENDENDILLON
DAL
48
17.75
0.96
43.2
2:35
ANDREJSEKERA
BUF
37
17.24
0.95
47.1
1:51
JUSTINFAULK
CAR
38
17.75
0.897
45.5
2:59
BROOKSORPIK
PIT
46
18.34
0.891
44.2
3:10
TIMGLEASON
CAR
42
16.26
0.85
43.4
2:48
DANHAMHUIS
VAN
47
17.18
0.819
49.7
3:03
PAULMARTIN
PIT
34
18.48
0.816
46.4
3:08
JACKJOHNSON
CBJ
44
18.33
0.804
44.6
2:47
Okay. there they are. 21 skaters fit those criteria (or pretty much fit – I let in a few guys who were close). How good was Hainsey compared to the rest of the group? (Drum roll….)
Ron Hainsey
RelCorsi: 15th (of 21)
Off Zone Start/Finish Differential: 1st
EV Pts per 60: 12th
EV 1st Assist %: T-6th
His rel corsi is weaker than the rest of the outcome variables I chose to look at, but he still fits in the middle of the pack. The raw data (sorted by Rel corsi).
NAME
TEAM
Corsi Relative
Zone Start/Finish Diff
P/60
A1%
DANHAMHUIS
VAN
6.6
2.8
1.11
42%
ZDENOCHARA
BOS
6
1.4
0.94
81%
JONASBRODIN
MIN
4.9
-2.4
0.42
17%
BRENDENDILLON
DAL
4.5
6.4
0.49
25%
JOHNNYBOYCHUK
BOS
0.1
-1.9
0.48
60%
CARLGUNNARSSON
TOR
-0.5
5.2
1.33
15%
SHEAWEBER
NSH
-2.1
3.2
0.84
45%
RYANSUTER
MIN
-2.3
-5.6
0.85
30%
MIKEWEAVER
FLA
-4.3
3.5
1.23
38%
PAULMARTIN
PIT
-4.9
1.9
1.34
56%
ZACHBOGOSIAN
WPG
-5
4.2
1.06
17%
JUSTINFAULK
CAR
-5.4
5.5
0.98
25%
DANGIRARDI
NYR
-6.7
1.4
0.73
20%
JACKJOHNSON
CBJ
-8.1
8.3
0.74
50%
RONHAINSEY
WPG
-8.7
10.3
0.75
45%
ANDREJSEKERA
BUF
-9
3
0.94
37%
ANDREWMACDONALD
NYI
-10.8
-1.3
0.61
28%
TRAVISHAMONIC
NYI
-11.4
-2.1
0.41
0%
TIMGLEASON
CAR
-11.5
5.6
0.7
37%
BARRETJACKMAN
STL
-15.7
5.6
0.82
57%
BROOKSORPIK
PIT
-18.1
1.4
0.57
37%

So he’s… not good? No, he’s good? But not really?

 I think it comes down to an issue of perspective with Hainsey. There are better defencemen out there, but of the 242 defencemen who played 10 or more games this year, Hainsey was among 21 who played a lot of hard minutes against top opposition while starting in their own end. In that 21, it seems he’s in the middle of the pack for ability. But there are many ways to see that.
I think we can all agree with Mitch on this one:

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