Top-10 UFA countdown: #8 - Martin St. Louis

Thomas Drance
June 10 2015 09:00AM

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This is a series counting down the top-10 pending UFAs. It will be posted across the Nation Network over the next month! Enjoy!

Over the course of Martin St. Louis' Hall of Fame worthy career the 5-foot-8 winger has won a Hart Trophy, a Stanley Cup, an Olympic Gold Medal and two Art Ross trophies (including one as a 37-year-old). His resume is beyond reproach. 

Built like a bumper car, St. Louis has accomplished everything a hockey player can accomplish. And as much as hockey's trend watchers are fawning over undersized players now, St. Louis has been doing Tyler Johnson-like things for more than a decade. So how can a future Hall of Fame immortal find himself ranked eighth on our countdown of the top unrestricted free agents? 

It's simple really: age catches up to everyone, even the best among us, and St. Louis will turn 40 this month. Thanks to a variety of advances in the field of human performance, players are remaining effective for longer, and no one doubts St. Louis' work ethic or ability to be an outlier, but St. Louis' advancing age combined with his least productive offensive season in 13 years is sure to dampen the enthusiasm with which he's pursued on the free agent market this summer. 

Track Record

St. Louis' track record is sterling. 

Age aside, this is still a player that's only three years removed from winning the Art Ross trophy. He's 16 months removed from playing for Canada's Gold Medal winning 2014 men's Olympic ice hockey team - the most dominant international hockey squadron in hockey history.

This past season, St. Louis' least productive in 13 years, he still scored at a first-line rate. The 39-year-old was a top-50 NHL forward by goal scoring rate and 5-on-5 points per 60 minutes, and he remains a first-line caliber set up man. On the power-play, St. Louis wasn't used that often, but he finished 75th in scoring efficiency among all NHL forwards who logged at least 150 5-on-4 minutes, which would suggest he still probably belongs on a first power-play unit somewhere. 

Though St. Louis was second among all Rangers forwards in even-strength ice time per game, his usage declined somewhat in the postseason, as he was bumped to the Rangers' third-line. I'd argue that this was partly for matchup reasons though, as Alain Vigneault constructed a speed-based third line featuring St. Louis, Carl Hagelin, and Dominic Moore, to try and take advantage of the slower depth defenders on the Tampa Bay Lightning. 

From his ice time to his still strong scoring rates, the wheels haven't really fallen off St. Louis yet. He remains a good bet to perform like a first-line caliber forward, albeit not an elite one.

Future Performance

Though St. Louis still logs major minutes and remains productive, there are signs of the toll that advancing age has had on his game.

He drew penalties at a lower rate than he has at any time since the dawn of the BehindtheNet era this season, and his underlying results - which have been stagnating for some time - continued to slide. St. Louis is at the stage of his career where he's reliant on favourable percentages to drive his production, not to mention a positive on-ice goal differential. 

The good news on this front is that St. Louis still qualifies as that rare player who does legitimately drive percentages. St. Louis has pretty much always carried a high on-ice shooting percentage, and that's continued into his late-30s. 

Since the NHL lockout, only seven regular NHL forwards have managed a higher on-ice shooting percentage in 5-on-5 situations and they're mostly the names you'd expect (Thomas Vanek, Jiri Hudler, Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry etc.). That St. Louis' percentage driving ability has persisted, even after he moved on from playing regular shifts with one of the game's best shooters in Steven Stamkos, is a good sign. 

At this point in St. Louis' career no one should be gambling on him remaining effective for years and years to come, but if you're betting that he can be a helpful secondary offensive option for next season, that seems a sensible enough wager - if the price is right.

Contract outlook

Because of St. Louis' age, his declining effectiveness, and the NHL's 35+ rule, the veteran forward is unlikely to command much in the way of term on the open market. Surely he'll be hard pressed to land the sort of contract that Jarome Iginla received from the Colorado Avalanche.

In terms of St. Louis' salary for next season though (or even, perhaps, for the year after), he's still probably a $5-6 million player. 

Surely St. Louis will be able to match the contract that the Vancouver Canucks signed Radim Vrbata to last summer. Vrbata is nearly seven years younger than St. Louis, but was coming off of a less productive contract year than the one St. Louis just authored in New York. 

Don't be surprised if St. Louis lands somewhere on something like a two-year, $12 million deal. That's a hefty bet - particularly in the second year of the contract - but it's tough to add first-line caliber forwards in free agency without a longer term commitment. 

It should go without saying that if St. Louis decides to chase another Stanley Cup and sign with a contender on a cheap one-year deal, he could be a massive steal. Of course, if that's what St. Louis decides to do, then it would seem likely that he'd just remain with the Rangers

He's also been linked to the New Jersey Devils, who could certainly use some of St. Louis' latent fire power up front. 

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Thomas Drance lives in Toronto, eats spicy food and writes about hockey. He is the editor in chief of the Nation Network (a.k.a Overlord), and an opinionated blowhard to boot. You can follow him on twitter @thomasdrance.
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#1 ubermiguel
June 10 2015, 09:08AM
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~I wonder if he's ever thought about signing with Tampa Bay? They're a contender.~

Our Top 6 is pretty crowded, don't see him fitting here. He'll want to play on a contender so NJ is out. If he takes a discount PIT, CHI or ANA could all find room for him.

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#2 wot96
June 10 2015, 09:13AM
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Historically the Oilers have overpaid for wingers. Maybe he should try there if he's not looking for a cup.

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#3 Kmp
June 10 2015, 09:22AM
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As a Ranger fan all I can say is no way you give him 5 or 6 million. The wheels came off this year, the majority of his points came from the play of his teammates not from plays he made, the second half of the season was worse than the first. He was getting first line power play time and he was awful.

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#4 oilbaron
June 10 2015, 09:25AM
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nope, no need for him here, no room and the exact type of player we dont need. Not to mention there is absolutely ZERO chance he even would consider signing here.

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#5 jaybee
June 10 2015, 09:38AM
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He would be a 1-2 year expensive rental at best. What do you have 2 years from now? Nothing. No thanks. We will become more and more competitive over the next 3 years. He just doesn't fit.

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#6 superdad79
June 10 2015, 09:38AM
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He wouldnt be in most teams top ten so i'm not sure why we are even n wasting time reading or commenting on him

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#7 Mike Krushelnyski
June 10 2015, 09:38AM
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I hope he fulfills his destiny and signs with St. Louis.

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#8 Ready to Win
June 10 2015, 09:53AM
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I love St. Louis but there are some huge reasons the Oilers shouldn't spend even a second thinking about him:

1. Every dollar spent upfront is a dollar not spent on the back end. I'm all for the Oilers picking up a couple of discount players to round out our forward corp, but $5 to $6 million is about $4 million more than any addition should be getting from us.

2. Signing St. Louis would mean pushing Yak down to the third line; we need to give that kid every chance to succeed this year.

3. I think one has to wonder how aging tiny St. Louis would fare in today's western conference.

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#9 Opa!
June 10 2015, 10:03AM
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He's the kind of guy you look at adding on to your team at the deadline if you're in a playoff spot. As of right now he'd be an expensive waste of money.

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#10 madjam
June 10 2015, 10:04AM
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St.Louie should go to a contender this late in his career , not a rebuilding team . His expiry date to be effective may have already come at the conclusion of this year . Waste of time and money for Oilers to go after him now ,as need is very low to begin with on wing . Chara much the same unless he comes cheaply . Consider both only as rentals for playoffs at this stage of their careers .

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#11 crackerjack14
June 10 2015, 10:11AM
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Horrible, horrible idea. I'd avoid him on his arrogance alone.

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#12 A-Mc
June 10 2015, 10:14AM
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Pass

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#13 916oiler
June 10 2015, 10:20AM
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Love the guy, but not a fit in Edmonton for various reasons. Good luck MSL!

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#14 Dwayne Roloson 35
June 10 2015, 10:30AM
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This is just the top UFA countdown people. No one is suggesting the oilers go after St.Louis. He obviously isn't what we need.

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#15 Billy Talliwagger
June 10 2015, 10:32AM
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Ready to Win wrote:

I love St. Louis but there are some huge reasons the Oilers shouldn't spend even a second thinking about him:

1. Every dollar spent upfront is a dollar not spent on the back end. I'm all for the Oilers picking up a couple of discount players to round out our forward corp, but $5 to $6 million is about $4 million more than any addition should be getting from us.

2. Signing St. Louis would mean pushing Yak down to the third line; we need to give that kid every chance to succeed this year.

3. I think one has to wonder how aging tiny St. Louis would fare in today's western conference.

4. There is no chance St. Louis would even consider going to Edmonton.

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#16 Woogie63
June 10 2015, 10:42AM
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Hmmmm

We would have

RNH

CMD

And

MSL

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#17 Bean-counting cowboy
June 10 2015, 10:50AM
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The Flames have cap space! (for exactly one more year). After this next year then Gaudreau, Monahan & Gio's new contracts would kick in.

So what if the Flames signed him for one year at ridiculous money... 8-9 mil? He probably wouldn't want to come here and may balk at the one year term, but if it was close to what he would get elsewhere for 2 years, he might think about it?

I think he could show Johnny a thing or two about being a small player in this league and would look good on that right side with him and Monahan. Those two could feed Marty for some serious points. That way Hudler can move down and mentor Bennett/Ferland on a more sheltered line similar to what he did for Monahan and Gaudreau this past year. Gives us two scoring lines, which we haven't had in forever.

Bouma/Backlund/Jones can run shut down duty against the toughs on the third line.

If he likes it here... we can sign him on the cheap next year, or let him walk. Nothing lost, except cap space for one year which we didn't need anyways.

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#18 wot96
June 10 2015, 10:54AM
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@Bean-counting cowboy

MSL didn't get to be one of the best small players in the modern game by forgiving easily. I bet he would rather walk a mile over broken glass than go back to Calgary.

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#19 ubermiguel
June 10 2015, 10:59AM
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wot96 wrote:

MSL didn't get to be one of the best small players in the modern game by forgiving easily. I bet he would rather walk a mile over broken glass than go back to Calgary.

His exit from TB certainly shows he can hold a grudge. It just occurred to me MTL might be perfect for him (close to home, close to contending). Haven't looked at their forward situation to see if he fits in though.

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#20 Bean-counting cowboy
June 10 2015, 11:00AM
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wot96 wrote:

MSL didn't get to be one of the best small players in the modern game by forgiving easily. I bet he would rather walk a mile over broken glass than go back to Calgary.

I don't know... he doesn't seem like the kind to hold a grudge to me? .... /

On second thought... you make a very good point.

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#21 Gordie Wayne
June 10 2015, 11:01AM
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5-6 million a year? Seriously?

I don't think so... try half that amount.

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#22 CaptainLander
June 10 2015, 11:15AM
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I believe there would be value in having an experienced player that played I a very high level to help mentor the youth (Something I believe the Oilers have been missing). As an example seeing how Roy helped Yak.

That said I do not think St. Louis is the mentor type. Gives off an aura of selfishness.

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#23 CMG30
June 10 2015, 11:18AM
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IF the dollars were right (very low) and IF the term was short (1-2y) I wouldn't object to having him float between the 2nd and 3rd lines.

IMHO it's never a bad thing to have real life examples of what it takes to be a successful professional for the long term in the NHL, especially since the Oilers are going to be breaking yet more youth into the NHL this coming season.

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#24 BigMcD
June 10 2015, 11:30AM
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I JUST COPIED THIS FROM MSN SPORTS! I THINK THIS TRADE IS ABSURD.

1. Taylor Hall and Ben Scrivens for Fredrick Andersen and a 3rd Round Pick

The Edmonton Oilers mean business with their signing of Peter Chiarelli in the front office. They will look to do anything they can to get one this offseason. The problem is there aren't many on the market this offseason. If they offer Taylor Hall up, the Anaheim Ducks may be enticed to move forward with John Gibson. Ben Scrivens would be a throw-in to give the Ducks a backup.

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#25 I tried it at home
June 10 2015, 11:30AM
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No. No no no no no. No. NO.

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#26 Johnny Larue
June 10 2015, 11:32AM
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He didn't play for the olympic team that is why he is playing for the Rangers is because Stevie Y did not put him on the team.

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#27 TKB2677
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St.Louis is a going to be 40 in a week. He's a tiny, right winger who's skills are starting to diminish. In looking at him and especially his age, I don't even think the list of teams that would even consider him is very long. Teams that would, would be desperate for scoring and I doubt it would be teams he would want to go to. I wouldn't touch St. Louis. Other than being a vet, he brings NOTHING the Oilers need.

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#28 Dwayne
June 10 2015, 12:02PM
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Johnny Larue wrote:

He didn't play for the olympic team that is why he is playing for the Rangers is because Stevie Y did not put him on the team.

I think he was an injury replacement for Stamkos. So he wasn't named to the initial roster, but was part of the team.

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#29 Milestradamus
June 10 2015, 12:41PM
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I am not saying the Oilers should sign him but if they needed to sign a small, left handed playmaker scorer, why would you sign St. Louis when you could sign a younger Derek Roy for 1/3 of the $$$ and Yak can play with Roy again for a full season and see what can happen.

St. Louis was a great player and without a doubt one of the most consistent scoring wingers in the last 15 years, but time catches all.

If I am GM of the Oilers I would still make the call on Marry and offer 2 million for 1 year. It is not an insult, just my best offer. It never hurts to try and that would be my one phone call. I would fully expect to be laughed at.

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#30 shanetrain
June 10 2015, 12:44PM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

The Flames have cap space! (for exactly one more year). After this next year then Gaudreau, Monahan & Gio's new contracts would kick in.

So what if the Flames signed him for one year at ridiculous money... 8-9 mil? He probably wouldn't want to come here and may balk at the one year term, but if it was close to what he would get elsewhere for 2 years, he might think about it?

I think he could show Johnny a thing or two about being a small player in this league and would look good on that right side with him and Monahan. Those two could feed Marty for some serious points. That way Hudler can move down and mentor Bennett/Ferland on a more sheltered line similar to what he did for Monahan and Gaudreau this past year. Gives us two scoring lines, which we haven't had in forever.

Bouma/Backlund/Jones can run shut down duty against the toughs on the third line.

If he likes it here... we can sign him on the cheap next year, or let him walk. Nothing lost, except cap space for one year which we didn't need anyways.

Wrong forum?

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#31 Pucker
June 10 2015, 12:45PM
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He doesn't strike me as positive contributor to team dynamics.

I don't think he'll get offered the big bucks.

I expect he retires.

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#32 piscera.infada
June 10 2015, 12:57PM
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shanetrain wrote:

Wrong forum?

Cross-nation post.

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#33 BigMcD
June 10 2015, 01:18PM
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Yakupov for Seth Jones and a second. We may be giving up too much as Yakupov would be a first line winger on most teams but we need defense. Then sign St Louis as a replacement. Big time players will take less to play with this group and have a chance to win multiple cups.

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#34 OilCanFan1
June 10 2015, 01:28PM
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crackerjack14 wrote:

Horrible, horrible idea. I'd avoid him on his arrogance alone.

I agree on this - if he didn't hold a grudge against his former GM he could have been contributing to the Lightning's run and most likely would have a Stanley Cup ring...

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#35 pkam
June 10 2015, 01:32PM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

The Flames have cap space! (for exactly one more year). After this next year then Gaudreau, Monahan & Gio's new contracts would kick in.

So what if the Flames signed him for one year at ridiculous money... 8-9 mil? He probably wouldn't want to come here and may balk at the one year term, but if it was close to what he would get elsewhere for 2 years, he might think about it?

I think he could show Johnny a thing or two about being a small player in this league and would look good on that right side with him and Monahan. Those two could feed Marty for some serious points. That way Hudler can move down and mentor Bennett/Ferland on a more sheltered line similar to what he did for Monahan and Gaudreau this past year. Gives us two scoring lines, which we haven't had in forever.

Bouma/Backlund/Jones can run shut down duty against the toughs on the third line.

If he likes it here... we can sign him on the cheap next year, or let him walk. Nothing lost, except cap space for one year which we didn't need anyways.

Usually I don't want the Flames fan to get what they wanted, but this time is an exception.

MSL joins the Flames at 8-9M for a year? A million 'YES'.

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#36 piscera.infada
June 10 2015, 01:50PM
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OilCanFan1 wrote:

I agree on this - if he didn't hold a grudge against his former GM he could have been contributing to the Lightning's run and most likely would have a Stanley Cup ring...

He does have a Stanley Cup ring, by the way. I don't disagree with him "holding a grudge", but his "bad attitude" is mostly hyperbole (as is so often the case with athletes). The reason the Oilers, Flames, or Leafs shouldn't sign him is the dollars and term he's likely going to get, and the fact that neither of those match up particularly well with either of those team's "windows"--not that he'd sign with either one anyway.

Without waxing poetic, it is important in this conversation to bring up the fact that Marty has won 2 Olympic gold medals, a Stanley Cup, the Art Ross, the Hart, the Lester B. Pearson, and has been a six-time allstar. No, he's not the same player he was, but he will be valuable to some team, provided he picks the correct one.

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#37 Hazlehurst11
June 10 2015, 01:54PM
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5-6 mil seems high because of the age, but he has warranted it. One year contract to reprove his worth

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#38 arjay
June 10 2015, 01:55PM
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piscera.infada wrote:

Cross-nation post.

true---but it is called 'Canucks Army" so wondering why the Oiler/Flames fans don't comment on their own site?

just sayin'.................

cheers

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#39 piscera.infada
June 10 2015, 01:58PM
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@arjay

I think you misunderstand what "cross-nation post" means. Unfortunately, if you don't understand that at this point, there's very little hope for you.

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#40 Bean-counting cowboy
June 10 2015, 02:31PM
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piscera.infada wrote:

I think you misunderstand what "cross-nation post" means. Unfortunately, if you don't understand that at this point, there's very little hope for you.

Without fail... every friggin time... someone just doesn't get it.

Over-under on how many comments we get like this for UFA #7 on the list?

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#41 Bean-counting cowboy
June 10 2015, 02:37PM
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pkam wrote:

Usually I don't want the Flames fan to get what they wanted, but this time is an exception.

MSL joins the Flames at 8-9M for a year? A million 'YES'.

Read my post again. I said for ONE year - no term. What would that hurt? Have you looked at the Flames cap space this next year. Absurd amount of room.

Probably not worth talking about because he won't come here and Flames ownership won't shell out that much dough for a player of his age, even if it is a one year deal. Sounds like something Mac T would have done after chatting and eating Cheetos with Katz at the most recent old boyz club movie night. Oil are so lucky that guy is not calling the shots anymore.

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#42 arjay
June 10 2015, 02:57PM
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Bean-counting cowboy wrote:

Without fail... every friggin time... someone just doesn't get it.

Over-under on how many comments we get like this for UFA #7 on the list?

it's ok "cowboy".....it seems a statement of the obvious is too big a climb for some people and their only reply to a logical and polite question is to "kill the messenger"....no harm done here---just consider the source, smile a sad smile at their lack of acuity and move on....

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#43 PlunkTank
June 10 2015, 07:38PM
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arjay wrote:

it's ok "cowboy".....it seems a statement of the obvious is too big a climb for some people and their only reply to a logical and polite question is to "kill the messenger"....no harm done here---just consider the source, smile a sad smile at their lack of acuity and move on....

I don't understand what you're trying to say in this post above.

But back to the main point of these exchanges with you arjay: this is a "cross-nation" post, meaning the exact same post shows up on all nation-network pages.

So, although when you look at the top of your page it says "Canucks Nation," I came to this site from Oilers Nation, so the format and everything on this post still shows "Oilers Nation" for me and everyone else who came from the ON site.

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#44 Danoilerfanincalgary
June 10 2015, 10:04PM
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Marty will and should stay in the eastern conference with an easier travel schedule and a style of play that is usually less physical. Little man has had a great career it is time to start thinking about an exit.

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#45 Do what Weight did?
June 10 2015, 10:57PM
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Yakupov for Seth Jones and a second. We may be giving up too much as Yakupov would be a first line winger on most teams but we need defense. Then sign St Louis as a replacement. Big time players will take less to play with this group and have a chance to win multiple cups.

Dude, seriously? It's posts like this one on the NATION NETWORK that makes everybody think Oilers fans are idiots... Please Nation Network, don't judge us all based on this. We all know just as well as you do that this is ridiculous

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#46 Cowbell_Feva
June 11 2015, 12:05AM
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BigMcD wrote:

Yakupov for Seth Jones and a second. We may be giving up too much as Yakupov would be a first line winger on most teams but we need defense. Then sign St Louis as a replacement. Big time players will take less to play with this group and have a chance to win multiple cups.

You would be lucky to get a bag of pucks for Nail Yakupov at his current value. If you think David Poile would trade Seth Jones for anything less than Taylor Hall your crazy.

I myself have been saying for weeks, that I would do exactly that! Trade Hall for Seth Jones straight up. Nashville needs offense. We need a stud defenseman, and best of all, he is young. Both teams would be happy.

I personally think Poile wouldn't trade Jones for Hall though. Given TH's injury riddled career thus far, he might not risk giving up a TRUE future Norris Trophy candidate for a guy who gets run over as frequently as Hall does...just my 2 cents.

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#47 The Soup Fascist
June 11 2015, 12:34AM
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arjay wrote:

true---but it is called 'Canucks Army" so wondering why the Oiler/Flames fans don't comment on their own site?

just sayin'.................

cheers

Don't listen to these guys. Here is the real story. When there is an abundance of comments on other sites the guys at Nation HQ send a secret signal to Flames and Oiler Nation to help out by posting on their lamest site "Canucks Army".

The hope is once those Canuck Fans released from prison due to selling umm.... Pharmaceuticals and those finally released after their incarceration due to the Stanley Cup riots - readership will pick up.

Until then you are occasionally stuck with us.

Mystery solved.

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#48 Gormley's hot daughter
June 11 2015, 04:16AM
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St. Louis?? Who's next on the list Jaromir Jagr?? What's Petr Nedved up to these days? He must be a free agent...

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#49 arjay
June 11 2015, 03:32PM
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PlunkTank wrote:

I don't understand what you're trying to say in this post above.

But back to the main point of these exchanges with you arjay: this is a "cross-nation" post, meaning the exact same post shows up on all nation-network pages.

So, although when you look at the top of your page it says "Canucks Nation," I came to this site from Oilers Nation, so the format and everything on this post still shows "Oilers Nation" for me and everyone else who came from the ON site.

thank you Plunk Tank--a concise and straight forward reply to a polite question.

The only interesting thing here is that it took so long to get a simple answer to a simple question.

Which is why I posted that

"just consider the source, smile a sad smile at their lack of acuity and move on...."

You answered my simple and polite question the way one would expect civil bloggers to respond.

See folks...it isn't that difficult.

cheers to you, Plunk tank

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#50 Chadallac1976
June 12 2015, 04:51AM
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Why the fluck are we hearing about Anti Niemi and Martin St. louis on a Canuck forum as the top 10 UFA's???? As if we are going to sign either of them you MORON. Why don't you talk about the top 10 players the Canucks could sign? If i want to read top 10 UFA's in the league I will go to NHL.com, Bleacher Report, TSN, Sportsnet, or maybe Yahoo. If I want to read about just the Canucks I always come here. Or the Province, or Canucks.com. So why do I need to hear about 2 guys we will not sign. There's zero percent chance of this happening. This is stupid. Waste of time. If theee's no news make up a rumour like Eddie Lack getting dealt for a 2nd round pick to the Edmonton Oilers. 😆😆😆😂😂😂 then that will get all the Jim Benning haters going again.

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