Flames Reportedly Come to Terms with Ramo

Kent Wilson
June 05 2013 12:58PM

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According to Andy Strickland, the Flames have come to terms with Karri Ramo on a multiple year deal. The deal can't be officially confirmed/announced until July 5th, the date that Ramo's KHL contract ends.

We'll treat this as "rumor" for now, but Strickland is reputable and is pretty cut and dried in his article. It's interesting the Flames would go with a "mulit-year" deal since Ramo is still kind of an unknown NHL commodity. That said, a 2+ year contract was likely part of the price of convincing Ramo to leave the KHL given his level of success and (likely) the size of contracts he could have commanded had he stayed overseas. 

There's little doubt Ramo will be inked under a one-way deal, so all that's left to see is the dollar/cap figure.

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#1 Tenbrucelees
June 05 2013, 03:24PM
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So let me get this straight. We are now hoping that Ramo isn't good so we can get another good draft pick next year. Honestly that's pathetic.

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#2 Kevin R
June 06 2013, 09:34AM
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Wow, good thing Sven didn't have a Calder type of a year, we might have finished in 9th or 10th. Hopefully Backlund & Brodie don't take steps to being elite as well next year so we can suck. Cmon, we all know the huge change that had to happen was we needed to get a new core of leaders and star players in this league. That wasn't going to happen with Iggy & Kipper. The team was built around those two. We have to move forward & find our future elite players & they all aren't going to show up at one time & they all aren't going to have the fanfare of a #1 overall splash. I will be delighted to see Ramo step in & kick ass. We need to get a little lucky here too. I am not an advocate for hoping to suck, the suck is going to come because we have no established elite players going into next year. The big changes have finally happened, lets get back to winning with new players as soon as possible. Who ever we put on the ice, lets hope they succeed. Whats wrong that???

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#3 BurningSensation
June 05 2013, 03:28PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Actually, worst case for club in the short term is Ramo turns out to be elite and inflates the Flames from a bottom feeder to a 9th-10th placed club again.

I have to believe this is dangerously flawed thinking.

The Flames desperately need elite talent at every position, including goaltender. If it turns out Ramo is an elite goaltender capable of elevating the team into a playoff spot, I would think this would be a cause for celebration.

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#4 lionlager
June 05 2013, 01:36PM
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Feaster has already won the Bourque-Cammalleri deal, but if this guy works out it'll be a home run. The Flames don't usually win trades... hopefully he can play.

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#5 icedawg_42
June 05 2013, 01:29PM
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Jeff Lebowski wrote:

I think that with the goaltending being questionable (in terms of actual ability) it's going to be a good thing in terms of rebuilding.

What I mean is, the necessity for a possession built team. Once the team achieves that level of play it will allow a goalie to look good instead of the opposite.

If all the stars align Calgary will hopefully be a good team when Gillies arrives.

These other guys (Ramo, Berra etc) are just spit balls where hopefully something sticks.

On another note, the oilers nation interview with Nurse has me coming away impressed.

This is true. Aside from this though, when I hear multi-year, one way deal on an unproven commodity..my gut says ugh.

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#7 negrilcowboy
June 05 2013, 03:18PM
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if the pens get bounced, should mcfeaster dangle some bait in front of shero for eugene malkin? now that the flames have the 2 best goalies in the world outside the nhl slated to be in the nhl?

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#8 lionlager
June 05 2013, 04:10PM
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@Kent Wilson

That's oilers talk! I'm in the business of cheering for my team... this season was painful enough hoping for those final loses for position. If he does turn out to be great, then maybe we can pull an Ottawa and stay interesting, and at least ...try.

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#9 Bean-counting cowboy
June 05 2013, 01:09PM
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I'm guessing 3 years, 2 - 3 mil?

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#10 Jeff Lebowski
June 05 2013, 01:18PM
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I think that with the goaltending being questionable (in terms of actual ability) it's going to be a good thing in terms of rebuilding.

What I mean is, the necessity for a possession built team. Once the team achieves that level of play it will allow a goalie to look good instead of the opposite.

If all the stars align Calgary will hopefully be a good team when Gillies arrives.

These other guys (Ramo, Berra etc) are just spit balls where hopefully something sticks.

On another note, the oilers nation interview with Nurse has me coming away impressed.

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#11 Scary Gary
June 05 2013, 01:21PM
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That photo is a beauty Kent! Just look at those locks, this guy has to be good.

But seriously I'm looking forward to him suiting up with the flaming C to see what he can do.

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#12 Demetric
June 05 2013, 01:42PM
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Is it just me or does Ramo look like a more mature and rugged Irving, http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nhl/players/full/3551.png&w=350&h=254

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#13 The Last Big Bear
June 05 2013, 01:54PM
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I'm guessing $3-4m per year, for 2-3 years. He's an established pro, you gotta make it worth his while, especially considering that:

a) he's probably already making in that ballpark, and

b) it's likely to be difficult for him to get another NHL contract because the Flames are going to make him look terrible.

I know the stats guys will say "Only under exceptional circumstances does a goalie's EV sv% vary significantly with the quality of team in front of them."

I agree. This Flames team is likely going to be the future definition of statistically exceptional circumstances. And not in a good way.

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#14 seve927
June 05 2013, 01:54PM
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Demetric wrote:

Is it just me or does Ramo look like a more mature and rugged Irving, http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nhl/players/full/3551.png&w=350&h=254

No, he's Stainer from She's Out of My League http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2554352/?ref_=tt_cl_i3

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#15 backburner
June 05 2013, 02:01PM
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He can't be anyworse than MacBackup..

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#16 jeremywilhelm
June 05 2013, 02:02PM
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If he can provide even average goaltending next season, thats a huge win. I he can't waive him. Easy as pie.

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#17 Double Dion
June 05 2013, 02:22PM
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He can't be anyworse than MacBackup..

Kipper managed to be worse...

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#18 Double Dion
June 05 2013, 02:35PM
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@Kent Wilson

Agreed, I think Ramo will be decent. Certainly better than the goaltending we received last year. Of course a shooter-tutor would be better than the goaltending we got last year.

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#19 icedawg_42
June 05 2013, 02:47PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Actually, worst case for club in the short term is Ramo turns out to be elite and inflates the Flames from a bottom feeder to a 9th-10th placed club again.

Wouldn't "average" goaltending put the Flames outside the top 10 in the draft this year? Or close to it, cause...the goaltending was terrible.

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#20 Justin Azevedo
June 05 2013, 02:55PM
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@icedawg_42

a replacement level evsv% from the flames goalies would've put them 9th this year. (whoops, bad math: actually 10th, 52 points)

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#21 icedawg_42
June 05 2013, 02:56PM
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@Justin Azevedo

Ewww...

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#22 Parallex
June 05 2013, 03:01PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

a replacement level evsv% from the flames goalies would've put them 9th this year. (whoops, bad math: actually 10th, 52 points)

So if replacement level takes them to 9 where does league average take them?

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#23 icedawg_42
June 05 2013, 03:10PM
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Parallex wrote:

So if replacement level takes them to 9 where does league average take them?

Or elite for that matter (not that I think there's ANY chance of Ramo being elite.)

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#24 Justin Azevedo
June 05 2013, 03:19PM
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average is about .924 iirc, which would put them 1 point out i think. to make the playoffs they would've needed around a .926

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#25 Parallex
June 05 2013, 03:20PM
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icedawg_42 wrote:

Or elite for that matter (not that I think there's ANY chance of Ramo being elite.)

I was going to include an "elite" designation in the follow-up question but considering that "average" is the more realistic bar to set I thought I'd omit it.

And really you don't think there's "ANY" chance? C'mon there's a chance... if the guy who backstopped the 1999-2000 Detroit Vipers (of the frakking IHL) to the tune of a .892sv% can one day be considered "elite" then there's a chance that Ramo can be.

@Justin Azevedo 1 point out of the the Playoffs? Geez, Kipper really did suck something awful.

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#26 negrilcowboy
June 05 2013, 03:20PM
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if the pens get bounced, should mcfeaster dangle some bait in front of shero for eugene malkin? now that the flames have the 2 best goalies in the world outside the nhl slated to be in the nhl?

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#27 seve927
June 05 2013, 03:26PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

a replacement level evsv% from the flames goalies would've put them 9th this year. (whoops, bad math: actually 10th, 52 points)

Hard to say, because that may have changed what happened at the trade deadline. If it weren't an AHL lineup playing down the stretch would it not be reasonable to think they'd have actually been in the playoffs?

We owe Kipper a lot for being the goat this year. He took it on his own shoulders to turn this franchise around. Thank you Kipper!

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#28 Justin Azevedo
June 05 2013, 03:28PM
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@Parallex

.889 evsv% this year. 75th out of 84 goalies and the goalies behind him had a combined 52 gp

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#29 Justin Azevedo
June 05 2013, 03:29PM
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@seve927

yeah, I think if they were 3 or 4 points out at the trade deadline jbo and iginla finish the year here.

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#30 Parallex
June 05 2013, 03:35PM
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Tenbrucelees wrote:

So let me get this straight. We are now hoping that Ramo isn't good so we can get another good draft pick next year. Honestly that's pathetic.

Not to speak for someone else but I think that what they want is for him to not be so good that it masks the true talent level of the remainder of the team... personally I think it's silly to on the one hand bemoan the lack of elite talent on the team and then with the other actively state a desire for an acquired asset to not be elite.

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#32 Ed Ward
June 05 2013, 03:39PM
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I've got this sneaking suspicion that Calgary is going to pull a Florida the next two years.

Bounce back in terms of goaltending combined with some mediocre veterans acquired through trade/FA will lead to a playoff push though I'm not sure we will quite make it like FLA did because our division will be much tougher.

Then the next year, injuries and regression hit hard and we bottom out placing us nicely for the McDavid lottery.

Year 3 a young team with some veteran pieces finishes 9th, like FLA will next year.

Year 4 the Flames have their own version of Huburdeau, Gubranson, Mackinon and Markstorm in Sven, McDavid, Brodie and Gillies.

Love it!

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#33 seve927
June 05 2013, 03:40PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I should be more specific: I don't want Ramo to have an elite season next year that would be an aberration relative to his actual skill level. Sometimes merely good/average goalies have a strong run and it sends all the wrong signals to the decision makers and hampers draft position for poor clubs. See: Steve Mason.

Im okay if Ramo arrives and turns out to be legitimately elite.

I was gonna say what he said, be he says it better!

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#34 Baalzamon
June 05 2013, 03:58PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

average is about .924 iirc, which would put them 1 point out i think. to make the playoffs they would've needed around a .926

isn't a .920 EVSV% league average?

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#35 Justin Azevedo
June 05 2013, 04:02PM
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eh, it varies. this year among goalies who played 20 or more games it was .92368.

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#36 lionlager
June 05 2013, 04:12PM
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PS: Ah, that was in relation to your first comment btw. Agreed on the second.

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#37 BurningSensation
June 05 2013, 04:55PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

I should be more specific: I don't want Ramo to have an elite season next year that would be an aberration relative to his actual skill level. Sometimes merely good/average goalies have a strong run and it sends all the wrong signals to the decision makers and hampers draft position for poor clubs. See: Steve Mason.

Im okay if Ramo arrives and turns out to be legitimately elite.

Ok, on this I we are in total agreement. If Ramo comes in and pulls a Roman Turek (1 fantastic year followed by a half decade of suck), that would indeed be the worst case scenario - unless we deal him immediately after the one elite season!

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#38 Ryan Pike
June 05 2013, 05:30PM
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Ramo's KHL deal ended on April 30. He can't sign in the NHL until July 5 under a weird rule in the CBA that notes he's a qualified RFA (Tampa qualified him before he left for Russia) who defected, and thus he can't sign until free agency day.

It's a weird rule.

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#40 Colin
June 05 2013, 09:18PM
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So now that this is apparently out of the way, are they finaly gonna get to work on TJ Brodie. Apparently reading on Twitter today, the Flames haven't even approached him about a new contract, REALLY? I have no idea what they could be thinking, are they thinking of trading him at the draft?

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#41 negrilcowboy
June 05 2013, 10:21PM
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big shakeup coming in pitt if the pens are bounced.

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#42 the forgotten man
June 05 2013, 10:26PM
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Bwhaahahaha...couldn't be happier it looks like Iginla will get bounced from the playoffs...thats what happens when you kibosh deals at the twelfth hour...the only joke on us is holding onto him for 2 years too many.

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#43 MacT253
June 05 2013, 10:43PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

I'm guessing $3-4m per year, for 2-3 years. He's an established pro, you gotta make it worth his while, especially considering that:

a) he's probably already making in that ballpark, and

b) it's likely to be difficult for him to get another NHL contract because the Flames are going to make him look terrible.

I know the stats guys will say "Only under exceptional circumstances does a goalie's EV sv% vary significantly with the quality of team in front of them."

I agree. This Flames team is likely going to be the future definition of statistically exceptional circumstances. And not in a good way.

He's not an establisher NHLer though, we don't need another Stajan contract where 3-4m a year is wasted if he's not going to be a starter, as he's unproven.

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#44 Baalzamon
June 05 2013, 11:34PM
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Colin wrote:

So now that this is apparently out of the way, are they finaly gonna get to work on TJ Brodie. Apparently reading on Twitter today, the Flames haven't even approached him about a new contract, REALLY? I have no idea what they could be thinking, are they thinking of trading him at the draft?

remember last summer? Mikael Backlund?

It will be fine.

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#45 RKD
June 05 2013, 11:54PM
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If Kipper does indeed retire, then my guess its Ramo and MacDonald next season as the tandem. Irving will be gone. I heard Kipper was going to make a decision the first week of June, maybe he told Feaster he is going to retire and there will be a press conference soon.

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#46 If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin
June 06 2013, 12:28AM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Actually, worst case for club in the short term is Ramo turns out to be elite and inflates the Flames from a bottom feeder to a 9th-10th placed club again.

Having an elite goaltender is never ever a bad thing in any situation.

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#47 suba steve
June 06 2013, 06:39AM
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If Only HIs Name Was Olli Postandin wrote:

Having an elite goaltender is never ever a bad thing in any situation.

Sorry to rain on your theory, but it kinda has been a bad thing in Calgary. An elite tender on a team like PITT would make them Cup winners, but on a team like Calgary? Were you not paying attention over the last eight years?

I hope Ramo has a good year and shows flashes of net-minding brilliance, but for 2013-14 (and perhaps 2014-15) we don't really need/or want elite tending. After that, if he develops into an elite talent, no one will be happier then me.

Two extra wins this season were the difference between drafting 6th and getting a potential top six forward or drafting 2nd and getting a potential super-star. And if we had Kipper at top form in 2012-13 where would we be?

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#48 Parallex
June 06 2013, 07:11AM
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@suba steve

If you think that Kiprusoff has been elite the last 8 years then I think you're the one that hasn't been paying attention.

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#49 Justin Azevedo
June 06 2013, 07:41AM
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@suba steve

if kipper was in top form in 2012-2013 they would've been in the playoffs.

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#50 suba steve
June 06 2013, 07:59AM
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Obviously, he hasn't been elite for each of the last eight years. I didn't say that he was.

But over that span, did he not have an effect on the team? Did he not make them seem better than they probably were? Was he good enough to get us to the dance (playoffs) when the team was not quite good enough to compete once it got there? Over 3 of the last 4 years, was he good enough to make the Flames feel they had a legitimate chance to make the playoffs? Did that effect the way the team was managed and how they utilized their assets?

If Ramo is elite next year what do you think the net result will be? Would they be good enough to make the playoffs (and lose in the 1st round), or just good enough to place 9th in the conference? What moves would such a run tempt Feaster into making? Trade Sven/Nichushkin/2014 1st rounder for help for the playoff race? Would it be a positive for the future of the organization? Is the goal to make the playoffs, or is the goal to win the Stanley Cup?

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