Nation Network 2013 Mock Draft: Picks 1-10

Jonathan Willis
June 12 2013 08:29AM

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Mock drafts are popular this time of year, and we’ve decided to do something a little different at the Nation this summer. Instead of presenting our picks, we’ll show consensus rankings and offer up scouting reports, than ask our readers to vote on the order they would select those players in.

We start with the top-10 selections.

The list order below is based on a weighted draft ranking done by NHL Numbers. The scouting reports are my own and are intended as summaries of other sources, including TSN, The Hockey News, Hockey Prospectus, Future Considerations as well as others.

The Consensus Picks

1. Seth Jones (WHL: 61GP, 14-42-56). 6’4”, 205-pound defender is expected to emerge as a complete player. He’s highly mobile (he skates well, not just well for a big man), has real puck skills, and his ability to read and react seems to be universally praised. If there’s a drawback, it’s that he isn’t known for playing with a lot of edge, though nobody seems to question his ability to play a physical game.

2. Nathan MacKinnon (QMJHL: 44GP, 32-43-75). Just barely old enough to be eligible for this year’s draft, MacKinnon lacks ideal size (6’, 182 pounds) but that’s basically all he lacks. He’s an elite-level scorer, a fantastic skater, and despite his average frame he plays a power game and his work ethic gets rave reviews. His defence, as with most young players, will need to improve over time.

3. Jonathan Drouin (QMJHL: 49GP, 41-64-105). MacKinnon and Drouin are neck-and-neck, and in some eyes the left wing has outshone his centre. The Hockey News and Hockey Prospectus both rank Drouin ahead of MacKinnon, and given his offensive numbers it’s easy to understand why. He’s a fantastic scorer and has what Craig Button calls “exceptional intelligence.”

4. Aleksander Barkov (FIN: 53GP, 21-27-48). Like MacKinnon, Barkov is extremely young – both players are only two weeks removed from a spot in the 2014 NHL Draft. The 6’2” centre excelled in the Finnish men’s league, and his on-ice vision and ability to read a play – both offensively and defensively – get top marks. His skating isn’t at the same level as other players in this draft, however. Read more at Flames Nation.

5. Valeri Nichushkin (KHL: 18GP, 4-2-6). The 6’3” winger combines high-level skating with a power forward frame, and his abilities with the puck mean he may end up being an elite NHL winger; some have even said that he’s a contender for the top spot based on his tools. Nichushkin committing to playing in the NHL means KHL fears are lessened. Hockey sense gets mixed reviews – sometimes even by the same scout, as The Hockey News quotes one who questioned Nichushkin’s decision-making early in the year but ultimately decided he had excellent vision. Defensively, he’s not seen as a strong player and his scoring numbers (15 points in 43 KHL regular season and playoff games) are underwhelming. Read more at Oilers Nation and Flames Nation.

6. Elias Lindholm (SWE: 48GP, 11-19-30). Another player with average size, Lindholm can play both centre and wing. His scoring numbers in Sweden are exceptional, but scouting reports suggest he may not have the same offensive threshold as others in this draft. Where he excels is as a two-way player – the combination of high-level skating and extreme intelligence on the ice make him projectable as an all-situations player; Future Considerations went so far as to compare him to Patrice Bergeron and Henrik Zetterberg. Read more at Flames Nation.

7. Sean Monahan (OHL: 58GP, 31-47-78). Monahan’s two-way game gets strong marks, but his offensive ceiling simply isn’t as high as the players ranked above him. Playmaking, size (6’2”, 187 pounds) and intelligence are all regarded as strengths; speed is the most significantly mentioned weakness while some question his scoring ability. Read more at Oilers Nation and Flames Nation.

8. Darnell Nurse (OHL: 68GP, 12-29-41). He’s big (6’4”, 185 according to the NHL; I’ve seen him listed anywhere from 6’3” to 6’5”), and at least as importantly he’s mean – he plays with more of an edge (both hitting and fighting) than any of the other top-ranked players in the draft this year. He’s not a one-trick pony, either; he makes a good first pass (though he isn’t likely to be a high-end offensive defenceman) and provides solid coverage in the defensive zone. Read more at Oilers Nation.

9. Hunter Shinkaruk (WHL: 64GP, 37-49-86). He can skate, and he can score goals, and that’s a highly attractive blend of skills for NHL teams. The winger lacks ideal size (5’10”, 181 pounds) and his defensive game is apparently something of a mess, but he doesn’t lack courage.

10. Rasmus Ristolainen (FIN: 52GP, 3-12-15). The 6’3” Ristolainen has a wide range of skills, but most of them at the ‘good not great’ threshold. He is a good skater, makes a good first pass, plays well in the defensive zone, but he’s not seen as an elite-level player in any of those areas. Some reports also suggest a fear that he may struggle with the speed of the NHL game, given the more passive nature of the game on European ice. He projects as a two-way defenceman.

On The Outside

11. Nikita Zadorov (OHL: 63GP, 6-19-25). Another big defenceman (6’4”, 200 pounds according to the NHL site; most media outlets list him at 6’5”, 230 pounds), Zadorov is seen as a bit of a project. He’s a dominant physical player and extremely strong, and he fares well enough in other areas – he skates well given his size, makes a reasonable first pass – to be of real interest. The trouble is that while he has a lot of tools they haven’t come together yet; he’s raw defensively and lacks high-end offensive upside. If it all comes together, though, he could be an elite shutdown defender.

12. Ryan Pulock (WHL: 61GP, 14-31-45). Nobody doubts his elite shot, and he Pulock has a strong puck-moving abilities, too. The trouble is his size and skating both fall into the average range, and there are mixed reports on his defensive play, which seems to be solid but unexceptional.

13. Adam Erne (QMJHL: 68GP, 28-44-72). The winger is a good skater, he’s strong on the puck, and he has goal-scoring ability. He isn’t seen as a strong offensive player otherwise, and he isn’t a high-end player in any category, but he has a well-rounded skillset. One scout The Hockey News quoted indicated that fitness might be an issue right now, but that he had potential to be even better if he his conditioning improved.

14. Josh Morrissey (WHL: 70GP, 15-32-47). Size is the issue here – the WHL defenceman is listed at 5’11”, 182 pounds. Otherwise there is a lot to like: he’s smart, he’s an excellent skater, his offensive tools are good and he relishes playing a physical game.

15. Max Domi (OHL: 64GP, 39-48-87). Smallish winger is an “offensive dynamo” and gets pegged by The Hockey News as a power forward despite generally being listed at 5’9” or 5’10” because he plays such a fearless game (he’s also expected to play at 200 pounds or more at the NHL level). His effort level is questioned by some, and Future Considerations says that “self-control and maturity are still a work in progress.”

16. Curtis Lazar (WHL: 72GP, 38-23-61). Lazar gets high marks for character and defensive play; he’s also seen as good skater and a safe pick. The question is how much offence he will generate in the NHL, because despite strong goal-scoring numbers he is seen by some as a player who lacks the creativity to be a top-six forward in the NHL. Read more at Oilers Nation.

17. Anthony Mantha (QMJHL: 67GP, 50-39-89). The 6’4” winger skates well and is a one-shot scorer, but he doesn’t play the physical game scouts would like to see. He’s also at the old end of the draft curve (he missed being eligible for the 2012 Draft by less than a weak) and outside of his shot he’s not seen as overly creative offensively by the consensus.

18. Frederik Gauthier (QMJHL: 62GP, 22-38-60). A 6’5” centre who skates well for his size, Gautheir gets good grades as a defensive forward and an intelligent player. What he lacks is a willingness to play a tough physical game, and his offence is open to question.

19. Bo Horvat (OHL: 67GP, 32-28-60). Horvat’s trending upward since the NHL Numbers consensus rankings because he can do it all. He’s tough, plays a 200-foot game, scores goals and skates, too. The only question is how high is ceiling is offensively.

20. Alexander Wennberg (SWE2: 46GP, 14-18-32). 6’1” forward can play either wing or centre; he skates well, has good offensive tools and hockey sense that makes him both a threat to score and a good defensive forward. He needs to add bulk to his frame.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#101 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 12:54PM
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madjam wrote:

I agree Nurse is over rated and he has a below average shot to boot . I don't see Oilers wanting with a 7th pick a defenceman without a shot .

That would be correct madjam, it would make little sense to draft a defenseman with no arms. How could he have been rated so high, only getting second team power play minutes, and when did his flippin arms fall off?

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#102 Will
June 12 2013, 12:54PM
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DSF wrote:

Having a chance to sew him up before free agency has value.

If Philly wasn't willing to give up a pick they couldn't have talked to him until July 1.

Ahhh, but you said you're sure they've already talked to him. So again, why the pick. It's one or the other, wither they already had him locked up so trading the pick doesn't make sense, or they don't have him locked up and wanted to get at him early. For me the latter makes the most sense which is again why I think there's a chance you don't see Streit play in Philly. It does happen where a players rights getting traded before becoming a UFA and they end up going to market anyway.

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#103 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 12:54PM
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I like some of the ideas floating around, just not any that involves the kids.

You don't have to trade the kids to move up, it's a backwards move or a lateral one at best if you move the kids.

The Oilers need three centre's, so moving up makes some sense.

Couturier also makes sense but only if he's your number three or checking centre.

If the Oilers have a shot at Monahan I think they pick him.

If the Oilers can trade Hemsky for a first rounder, I think the look at Horvat.

That would give you two and three centre position filled, but by younger inexperienced player.

Personally I trade the checking centre, and draft the other.

My proposal.

Gagner- 2014 first rounder - Paajarvi plus Marincin for.

The 2nd or The 3rd or The 4th pick.

Go after MacKinnon - Barkov

The Oilers still keep this years 7th, which they can now target a checking centre like Dubinsky off of Columbus.

Dubinsky can play your wing, or centre. He's 27 - 6'2 205 and can hit, compete, fight is made for the western conference.

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#104 Cody anderson
June 12 2013, 12:56PM
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My draft list for 7 in order of preference would be

Barkov Nichushkin Monahan Lindholm Nurse

I don't believe Barkov or Nichushkin will fall that far, but it is possible with the injury and the Russian factor. If they are both off the table there is a fair chance that we have 2 of the following 3 to pick from. Monahan is, bigger and younger so he would be my preferance over Lindholm. I would love them to trade up to secure Barkov depending on the cost.

I am also very intrigued with the idea someone put forward yesterday about Gardner and the leaf's 1st round pick for our 1st rounder. I am guessing we would need to add a sweetener to the deal, but I would be willing to do that in order to get Gardner and one of Lazar, Horvat or Gauthier

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#105 Will
June 12 2013, 12:57PM
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As for drafting Nurse at 7, that wouldn't be so bad. We do have a log jam of defensive prospects, but other than Klefbomb, none are ready to make a huge impact if they make the jump. It would be nice to have someone else in the system that can essentially be a better Smid in a few years time.

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#106 drdoogie
June 12 2013, 12:59PM
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Uuuhhh, I'm pretty sure that the Oilers have, if not the worst drafting record ever, they are top 3 in that regard. For anyone bashing anyone's 'draft intelligence' me thinks, this be pot calling kettle black.

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#107 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 01:00PM
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DSF wrote:

If they buy out Briere and Bryzgalov, as expected, and put Pronger on LTIR, they will be $9M under the cap with 21 players signed.

With that cap space they'll have to sign Streit (say $4.5M) and a starting goaltender (say $5M)

Tight but manageable.

Next season they will have to re-sign Giroux, Schenn, Couturier and Read but they have Timmonen ($6M) and Meszaros ($4M) coming off the cap.

If the cap rises significantly, they'll be fine.

They can't buy out two players, they have used one already, there in trouble.

They have to hope, someone trades with them, which is why they may have grabbed Striet early, to use him in a trade.

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#108 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:00PM
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Will wrote:

Ahhh, but you said you're sure they've already talked to him. So again, why the pick. It's one or the other, wither they already had him locked up so trading the pick doesn't make sense, or they don't have him locked up and wanted to get at him early. For me the latter makes the most sense which is again why I think there's a chance you don't see Streit play in Philly. It does happen where a players rights getting traded before becoming a UFA and they end up going to market anyway.

Oh, for sure that can happen.

When Dan Hamhuis became UFA while playing with Nashville, Philly traded Ryan Parent to Nashville for the rights to speak to Hamhuis.

When they couldn't get a deal done, Philly traded his rights to Pittsburgh but Hamhuis took a hometown discount to play for the Canucks.

In this case, I'm sure Streit's agent has indicated the player would be willing to talk to Philly which is no guarantee that he will sign there but I think Streit is a very good fit in Philly and will sign there.

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#109 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 01:03PM
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DSF wrote:

If they buy out Briere and Bryzgalov, as expected, and put Pronger on LTIR, they will be $9M under the cap with 21 players signed.

With that cap space they'll have to sign Streit (say $4.5M) and a starting goaltender (say $5M)

Tight but manageable.

Next season they will have to re-sign Giroux, Schenn, Couturier and Read but they have Timmonen ($6M) and Meszaros ($4M) coming off the cap.

If the cap rises significantly, they'll be fine.

They can't buy out two players, they have used one already, there in trouble.

They have to hope, someone trades with them, which is why they may have grabbed Striet early, to use in a trade.

Perhaps Timonen being moved.

Edit; not sure why the double post?

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#110 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:03PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

They can't buy out two players, they have used one already, there in trouble.

They have to hope, someone trades with them, which is why they may have grabbed Striet early, to use him in a trade.

They have TWO compliance buyouts available to them.

Only Montreal (Gomez) and the Rangers (Redden) have used them so far since the league gave them special status so the players wouldn't be forced to sit out an entire season.

Just FYI, the compliance buy out period starts the day after the cup finals end and end on July 5.

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#111 OilersBrass
June 12 2013, 01:06PM
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madjam wrote:

I agree Nurse is over rated and he has a below average shot to boot . I don't see Oilers wanting with a 7th pick a defenceman without a shot .

Exactly. I think people are going to be very surprised how this draft plays out, players are not going to get drafted where they're projected to go (minus the top 3).

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#112 G Money
June 12 2013, 01:06PM
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Derzie wrote:

Yak got more points than RNH. A few less games but still RNH got 24 pts to Hall's 50 to Marty St. Louis' 60. Not my definition of 'elite' when comparing players.

Nice cherry picking. Taking DSF lessons?

RNH played the entire season with a bum shoulder. Anyone who watched him could see the effect on him, especially his shot - but even so, his elite, world class, stellar (running out of suitable adjectives) vision and playmaking skills were visible in abundance.

Broken wing and all, playing against the best the other team had to offer every night, he still somehow managed to put up 24 pts in 40 games.

As a rookie, he put up 52 pts in 62 games.

So yes, elite. Unquestionably so. And like Hall did this year after he got his shoulder problem dealt with, I expect RNH will go supernova next year.

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#113 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 01:08PM
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DSF wrote:

They have TWO compliance buyouts available to them.

Only Montreal (Gomez) and the Rangers (Redden) have used them so far since the league gave them special status so the players wouldn't be forced to sit out an entire season.

Just FYI, the compliance buy out period starts the day after the cup finals end and end on July 5.

According to cap geek they used one on OSKARS BARTULIS, now it says buyout, but is tat the regular buyout or the compliance buyout?

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#114 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:11PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I like some of the ideas floating around, just not any that involves the kids.

You don't have to trade the kids to move up, it's a backwards move or a lateral one at best if you move the kids.

The Oilers need three centre's, so moving up makes some sense.

Couturier also makes sense but only if he's your number three or checking centre.

If the Oilers have a shot at Monahan I think they pick him.

If the Oilers can trade Hemsky for a first rounder, I think the look at Horvat.

That would give you two and three centre position filled, but by younger inexperienced player.

Personally I trade the checking centre, and draft the other.

My proposal.

Gagner- 2014 first rounder - Paajarvi plus Marincin for.

The 2nd or The 3rd or The 4th pick.

Go after MacKinnon - Barkov

The Oilers still keep this years 7th, which they can now target a checking centre like Dubinsky off of Columbus.

Dubinsky can play your wing, or centre. He's 27 - 6'2 205 and can hit, compete, fight is made for the western conference.

I wouldn't under estimate Couturier, He could be a vey good 2nd line centre for the Oilers and would compliment Hopkins very well.

Thing is, he's been buried in Philly like JVR was.

His best season in Philly, he scored 21G and 40P while last season in Toronto, he scored 18G and 32P in only 48 games.

If Couturier was playing with Yak and a good LW, I think he would blossom.

He scored 36G and 96P in only 58GP in his last season in junior.

And remember, he's only 20 and he's been playing the toughs.

At 6'3" 200, I think he would make you forget Sam Gagner pretty quickly.

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#115 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:12PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

According to cap geek they used one on OSKARS BARTULIS, now it says buyout, but is tat the regular buyout or the compliance buyout?

Regular.

Teams, other than MTL and NYR, can actually buyout 3 players this offseason if they use both compliance buy outs.

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#116 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 01:12PM
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@DSF

Hartnell won't be on the team next year, maybe Edmonton could make a similar trade to Philly for negotiating rights.

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#117 Archaeologuy
June 12 2013, 01:12PM
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DSF wrote:

I wouldn't under estimate Couturier, He could be a vey good 2nd line centre for the Oilers and would compliment Hopkins very well.

Thing is, he's been buried in Philly like JVR was.

His best season in Philly, he scored 21G and 40P while last season in Toronto, he scored 18G and 32P in only 48 games.

If Couturier was playing with Yak and a good LW, I think he would blossom.

He scored 36G and 96P in only 58GP in his last season in junior.

And remember, he's only 20 and he's been playing the toughs.

At 6'3" 200, I think he would make you forget Sam Gagner pretty quickly.

I like Sam Gagner, a lot, but I would take Couturier in a heart beat

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#118 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 01:13PM
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Think teams have access to 4 total buyouts. Two compliance (no cap consequences) and two regular buyouts (with cap consequences).

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#119 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:13PM
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G Money wrote:

Nice cherry picking. Taking DSF lessons?

RNH played the entire season with a bum shoulder. Anyone who watched him could see the effect on him, especially his shot - but even so, his elite, world class, stellar (running out of suitable adjectives) vision and playmaking skills were visible in abundance.

Broken wing and all, playing against the best the other team had to offer every night, he still somehow managed to put up 24 pts in 40 games.

As a rookie, he put up 52 pts in 62 games.

So yes, elite. Unquestionably so. And like Hall did this year after he got his shoulder problem dealt with, I expect RNH will go supernova next year.

Elite players score more than 1.0 PPG.

He may become elite but he's not there yet.

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G Money wrote:

Nice cherry picking. Taking DSF lessons?

RNH played the entire season with a bum shoulder. Anyone who watched him could see the effect on him, especially his shot - but even so, his elite, world class, stellar (running out of suitable adjectives) vision and playmaking skills were visible in abundance.

Broken wing and all, playing against the best the other team had to offer every night, he still somehow managed to put up 24 pts in 40 games.

As a rookie, he put up 52 pts in 62 games.

So yes, elite. Unquestionably so. And like Hall did this year after he got his shoulder problem dealt with, I expect RNH will go supernova next year.

Yes. RNH played against tougher opposition and drove the play generally in the right direction. Yakupov played against weaker opposition and generally was outshot. Mind you, Yak had weaker linemates.

http://somekindofninja.com/nhl/usage.php?f1=2012_s&f2=5v5&f3=&f5=EDM&f4=&f7=20-&bubbleType=corsiRel&yAxis=qoc&update-filters=Update+Results

As far as comparing a 20 year old RNH to St. Louis: Marty couldn't make the NHL until he was 24!!! And when he did, he scored 18 points in 54 games.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=18067

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#121 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 01:16PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Hartnell won't be on the team next year, maybe Edmonton could make a similar trade to Philly for negotiating rights.

Hartnell's already signed for 6 yrs (4,75 cap hit). His contract is almost a carbon copy of what Horcoffs deal was. There is the small matter of a NMC to deal with.

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#122 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 01:18PM
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@DSF

I don't follow Couturier enough, thanks for the update, you've definitely peaked my intrest.

Another question, If the Oilers get Ranger, would that free up Smid or Petry?

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#123 Will
June 12 2013, 01:18PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I like Sam Gagner, a lot, but I would take Couturier in a heart beat

Our first and Gagner for Philly's first and Couturier? The it doesn't look like such a reach when we draft anyone of Hovart, Gauthier, or Lazar.

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#124 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 01:20PM
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Will wrote:

Our first and Gagner for Philly's first and Couturier? The it doesn't look like such a reach when we draft anyone of Hovart, Gauthier, or Lazar.

Seems like a waste of time to me. I would take Couturier only if it meant we could keep Gagner

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#125 Will
June 12 2013, 01:20PM
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Prediction:

If Monahan is still on the board, he is taken at 7 and develops into a solid 3rd line centre in a few years.

If he's not on the board, Edmonton trades the pick unfortunately for more lower picks.

If Monahan is not on the board but Nichushkin is, Edmonton trades the pick for established NHL blue line talent.

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#126 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:21PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I like Sam Gagner, a lot, but I would take Couturier in a heart beat

If the Oilers could come out of this offseason with Couturier and a legit top pairing D, it would be a huge success.

The question is, what do they need to do to accomplish that?

First, I would move the 7th pick and Marincin (Philly needs some D prospects) for Couturier.

Then I would try and move Gagner, Hemsky (keeping some salary) and a 2nd round pick for Alex Edler or the like.

Thoughts?

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#127 Archaeologuy
June 12 2013, 01:22PM
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@Will

I would actually try to keep Gagner and convert him to the wing. I think that would probably be an overpay for Couturier but I also think its the kind of deal it would take.

That said, Philly has done crazier things in the past.

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#128 Will
June 12 2013, 01:23PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Seems like a waste of time to me. I would take Couturier only if it meant we could keep Gagner

Well, I mean we are getting less skill with more size who comes cheaper, and are giving away more experience and skill with less size and a larger price tag. He's basically Brier's replacement.

I like Gags a lot as a hockey player, but it's about making the team better, not having a group of good individual players. I think this move does that as you now begin to have two balanced scoring lines.

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#129 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:23PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I don't follow Couturier enough, thanks for the update, you've definitely peaked my intrest.

Another question, If the Oilers get Ranger, would that free up Smid or Petry?

In playing style, Ranger is closest to Petry but I would try to hang on to both if I could.

The OIlers currently have only 3 actual NHL defensemen so it would be worth looking at moving other assets instead.

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#130 Archaeologuy
June 12 2013, 01:23PM
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DSF wrote:

If the Oilers could come out of this offseason with Couturier and a legit top pairing D, it would be a huge success.

The question is, what do they need to do to accomplish that?

First, I would move the 7th pick and Marincin (Philly needs some D prospects) for Couturier.

Then I would try and move Gagner, Hemsky (keeping some salary) and a 2nd round pick for Alex Edler or the like.

Thoughts?

Actually...I think those are reasonable trade proposals.

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#131 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 01:24PM
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DSF wrote:

If the Oilers could come out of this offseason with Couturier and a legit top pairing D, it would be a huge success.

The question is, what do they need to do to accomplish that?

First, I would move the 7th pick and Marincin (Philly needs some D prospects) for Couturier.

Then I would try and move Gagner, Hemsky (keeping some salary) and a 2nd round pick for Alex Edler or the like.

Thoughts?

Would Petry alone fetch Couturier? Or at least Petry and Marincin?

I ask this because of the Ranger rumour out there, making Petry or Smid expendable.

Both have excellent cap hits.

Edit; you already answered it.

I'm trying to figure out how the Oilers could keep the 7th to use in another deal, I honestly think that Petry or Smid could be moved, as well as Gagner.

These players make the most sense to me, Philly does seem like a logical choice to trade with.

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#132 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 01:24PM
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Hartnell's already signed for 6 yrs (4,75 cap hit). His contract is almost a carbon copy of what Horcoffs deal was. There is the small matter of a NMC to deal with.

Oh I didn't know that. Agreed that it smells like an albatross in 3 years time.

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#133 Will
June 12 2013, 01:26PM
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In playing style, Ranger is closest to Petry but I would try to hang on to both if I could.

The OIlers currently have only 3 actual NHL defensemen so it would be worth looking at moving other assets instead.

Ranger's 'injury' history is way too much of a gamble to let Petry go. You could very easily end up down two defencemen instead of having upgraded on one.

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#134 Taylor Gang
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DSF wrote:

If the Oilers could come out of this offseason with Couturier and a legit top pairing D, it would be a huge success.

The question is, what do they need to do to accomplish that?

First, I would move the 7th pick and Marincin (Philly needs some D prospects) for Couturier.

Then I would try and move Gagner, Hemsky (keeping some salary) and a 2nd round pick for Alex Edler or the like.

Thoughts?

Those seem reasonable, but Gillis has a reputation of overvaluing. I would be surprised if he took that deal without at least some negotiation.

Also, I don't think Vancouver is in the market for smaller forwards.

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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Would Petry alone fetch Couturier? Or at least Petry and Marincin?

I ask this because of the Ranger rumour out there, making Petry or Smid expendable.

Both have excellent cap hits.

Edit; you already answered it.

I'm trying to figure out how the Oilers could keep the 7th to use in another deal, I honestly think that Petry or Smid could be moved, as well as Gagner.

These players make the most sense to me, Philly does seem like a logical choice to trade with.

I think Petry and Marincin may be close enough to get Couturier... but that would leave a massive hole in Oilers D.

Petry is the second best puck mover we have. Marincin is probably our 2nd/3rd best puck mover and that includes the current Oilers NHL roster.

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#136 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 01:32PM
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Couturier and Tyler Myers would be huge for the Oilers. Wouldn't be shock and awe, but it would fit that bold mold. Might have to include Klefbom in the Myers deal.

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#137 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 01:34PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Couturier and Tyler Myers would be huge for the Oilers. Wouldn't be shock and awe, but it would fit that bold mold. Might have to include Klefbom in the Myers deal.

If that isn't shock and awe I don't know what is...

Oh wait, you're the one who loves Weber so much.

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#138 DSF
June 12 2013, 01:38PM
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I don't follow Couturier enough, thanks for the update, you've definitely peaked my intrest.

Another question, If the Oilers get Ranger, would that free up Smid or Petry?

Couturier was being used as a shutdown centre against the other teams top lines which, if you think about it, is nothing short of amazing for a 20 year old.

For example, he started in Ozone only 32% of the time but finished in Ozone 44.7%. That's the way the Canucks used Manny Malhotra and he's a lot older than 20.

His Corsi Rel was +2.1 (Gagner's was -4.3 and he was playing soft competition with 51% Ozone starts)

Couturier also had some ridiculous percentages working against him. The ONSV% when he was on the ice was dreadful .887 and his PDO was .960.

You can expect those numbers to revert to the mean.

The biggest benefit of acquiring Couturier is that you could run him out against the toughs (Gagner cannot handle that role without getting killed) which would allow Hopkins to go to town on softer competition.

I would also expect Couturier, with an expanded role, could easily match Gagner's offensive output while being much, much better defensively.

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#139 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 01:39PM
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@Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat.

I know it is, I do.

Here's my thought, I honestly think the Oilers had Klefbom pegged for the 2nd pairing before he ripped his shoulder.

The Oilers wanted him to stay bad, by all reports he would have challenged Smid or Petry for that spot.

I still think the Oilers are going after a top pairing defensmen which would make one of Smid or Petry expendable anyways.

With the possibility of the Oilers getting Ranger, this makes Marincin also available to some extent.

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#140 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 01:44PM
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DSF wrote:

Couturier was being used as a shutdown centre against the other teams top lines which, if you think about it, is nothing short of amazing for a 20 year old.

For example, he started in Ozone only 32% of the time but finished in Ozone 44.7%. That's the way the Canucks used Manny Malhotra and he's a lot older than 20.

His Corsi Rel was +2.1 (Gagner's was -4.3 and he was playing soft competition with 51% Ozone starts)

Couturier also had some ridiculous percentages working against him. The ONSV% when he was on the ice was dreadful .887 and his PDO was .960.

You can expect those numbers to revert to the mean.

The biggest benefit of acquiring Couturier is that you could run him out against the toughs (Gagner cannot handle that role without getting killed) which would allow Hopkins to go to town on softer competition.

I would also expect Couturier, with an expanded role, could easily match Gagner's offensive output while being much, much better defensively.

I agree. With your assessment of Gagner, I also have the same feelings towards him as a centre, from everything we have heard on the Oilers front I can't see Eakins wanting Gagner own the middle.

I remember watching Couturier in the playoffs as a shut down centre, if he can even match Gagner offensive production then this deal has to get done.

Besides who doesn't like a player with his two front giblets missing!

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#141 Will
June 12 2013, 01:51PM
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Nice to see we're all on board with Gags for Couturier. But from all accounts Couturier in Philly is like Nuge in Edmonton, basically untouchable. Hence the swap in picks as well. Especially if Monahan or Nichushkin are still on the board.

Why wouldn't we just take them you ask? Well I think the Couturier trade upgrades the team right away, while also upgrading Philly right away then giving each team the ability to pick up a replacement for the guy they just lost but don't necessarily need right away.

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#142 DSF
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Those seem reasonable, but Gillis has a reputation of overvaluing. I would be surprised if he took that deal without at least some negotiation.

Also, I don't think Vancouver is in the market for smaller forwards.

I agree they Vancouver is looking for more size but they are also trying to get younger.

They already have some size on the way:

Brendan Gaunce: 6'2" 210

Niklas Jensen: 6'3" 190

Kellen Lain: 6'6" 210 (just signed NCAA FA)

Adam Polasek: 6'3" 190

Christan Frolin: 6'4" 220 (just signed NCAA FA)

It's also expected the Canucks will draft Kerby Rychel (6'2" 200) if he's still available.

And, of course, Zack Kassian is 6'3" 215.

From what I've heard, Gillis is looking for a coach who will let these guys play even if they make mistakes (see Kassian).

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Streit turned down a pretty big offer from the Isles. I think he's looking for north of $5 mill per year for 5 years. For that kinda money, I'd rather the Oil fill another need and chase Bozak, who's 8 years younger and presumably peaking as opposed to fading in the case of Streit.

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Tornado warning!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/06/12/edmonton-tornado-warning-leduc.html

Maybe it's MacT rolling up the highway with a shiny new toy!

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#145 Mean machine
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DSF wrote:

If the Oilers could come out of this offseason with Couturier and a legit top pairing D, it would be a huge success.

The question is, what do they need to do to accomplish that?

First, I would move the 7th pick and Marincin (Philly needs some D prospects) for Couturier.

Then I would try and move Gagner, Hemsky (keeping some salary) and a 2nd round pick for Alex Edler or the like.

Thoughts?

Very reasonable trade proposals and I would do both. Not going to lie, I'd try and swap musil instead of marincin if possible.

What about:

Sam gagner, the 7th and a second for Dubinsky, new yorks first and Jenner.

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#146 DSF
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Very reasonable trade proposals and I would do both. Not going to lie, I'd try and swap musil instead of marincin if possible.

What about:

Sam gagner, the 7th and a second for Dubinsky, new yorks first and Jenner.

Dubinsky >>>Gagner

So you're looking at swapping the 7th and a 2nd for the 19th and Jenner.

Considering the outstanding year Jenner had (45G 82P in 56GP) and that he is 6'2" 205 at 19, I doubt CLB would give him up.

At this point, Jenner likely has more value than the 7th.

It's more likely that CLB will use their picks to take a raft of centres since their D is already loaded.

If I was betting:

#14 - Max Domi

#19 - Fredrick Gauthier

#30 - Nic Petan

Considering Jenner is also a centre, they would be loaded in that position for the next decade.

If you want to target the Jackets, I would suggest Ryan Johanssen might be available.

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#147 Walter Sobchak
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Tornado warning!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2013/06/12/edmonton-tornado-warning-leduc.html

Maybe it's MacT rolling up the highway with a shiny new toy!

Button down the hatches guys and gals, looks like it might touch down near Devon moving North East.

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#148 OilersBrass
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DSF wrote:

Dubinsky >>>Gagner

So you're looking at swapping the 7th and a 2nd for the 19th and Jenner.

Considering the outstanding year Jenner had (45G 82P in 56GP) and that he is 6'2" 205 at 19, I doubt CLB would give him up.

At this point, Jenner likely has more value than the 7th.

It's more likely that CLB will use their picks to take a raft of centres since their D is already loaded.

If I was betting:

#14 - Max Domi

#19 - Fredrick Gauthier

#30 - Nic Petan

Considering Jenner is also a centre, they would be loaded in that position for the next decade.

If you want to target the Jackets, I would suggest Ryan Johanssen might be available.

Ya Johanssen would be up for grabs before Jenner. Johanssen hasn't really become the player they were hoping for. That's Columbus' fault though, they threw him into the NHL to soon.

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#149 Jeffff
June 12 2013, 02:50PM
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Madjam doesn't have a clue about Nurse, I would listen to him regarding hockey.

Do your own research.

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#150 EHH Team
June 12 2013, 02:56PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I don't follow Couturier enough, thanks for the update, you've definitely peaked my intrest.

Another question, If the Oilers get Ranger, would that free up Smid or Petry?

I wouldn't set my expectations high for Ranger. He hasn't played in the league for a few years. I certainly wouldn't count on him being as good or better than Smid or Ptery.

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