Player types: The defensive forward

Cam Charron
September 08 2011 03:13PM

 

 

Earlier, I introduced on The Nations Network a new way of looking at a player's plus/minus rating, specifically to do with on-ice shot differential, in an effort to learn more about teams and players.

This month, somewhat regularly, I will break down types of players and teams in an effort to localize player talents and figure out exactly what certain teams need. There's definitely more to a hockey player than simply being "good" or "bad" and by how much, so today I will profile the defensive forward.

(Previous: The two-way forward)

The defensive forward is oft under-appreciated due to the fact that he spends most of his time on the ice unnoticed. By definition, the defensive forward is a low-events player (few shots at both ends) and winds up being a plus-player. On the chart, you will notice a player who is below average offensively, but still right of the diagonal and therefore on for more shots against than for.

There are some key issues that we run into when we profile the defensive forward. Primarily, looking at my list of players in 2011 who fit into this category, many of them played for bad teams. This is because worse teams tend to suppress talent when facing adversity. It's the whole "playing not to lose" routine. Another issue is score effects: the New Jersey Devils, for instance, allowed a league low 25.8 shots at even strength per 60 minutes last season, partly due to their defensive system, partly due to the fact that they played from behind so often. As a result, several of their players fit the "defensive forward" mould.

Not a single Devils player ended up on the positive spectrum of "shots for" mind you, hence why they were such a poor team last season. However, so did playoff teams New York Rangers and Los Angeles Kings, so there may be something there. The Rangers built effectively around a strong goalie in Henrik Lundqvist, and, given their goal differential, should have been a team much higher-ranked in the standings. The Kings are a surprising inclusion on the list since they were a slightly-above .500 team and not known for possessing a terrific goalie or astonishing defense, but they only scored 219 goals and allowed just 198, meaning that they were quite low event. 6th lowest in the league in total goals per game at even strength, in fact.

Given that most of the best defensive forwards in the league picked up tough minutes and were adjusted to land in the "two-way forward" category, I'm going to share with you the 15 names that best fit into the highlighted section of the graph above. Keep in mind this is not a rating of quality, but merely an attempt to decipher what certain players do on the ice. I standardized the numbers to 14.65 minutes at even strength per game, which is roughly equal to a lower-tier first line player: 

NAME TEAM AdjFen Events F Events A Type Events
Brian Rolston N.J 2.14 -0.65 2.80 FD -14.09
Dainius Zubrus N.J 1.26 -0.96 2.25 FD -13.12
Boyd Gordon WSH 0.85 -1.03 1.87 FD -11.82
David Steckel N.J 0.72 -1.15 1.73 FD -11.76
Patrik Elias N.J 2.58 -0.02 2.61 FD -10.74
Tom Wandell DAL 0.28 -1.12 1.47 FD -10.60
David Clarkson N.J 0.96 -0.81 1.63 FD -9.99
Derek Dorsett CBJ 0.11 -1.11 1.26 FD -9.69
Dana Tyrell T.B 1.05 -0.64 1.62 FD -9.23
Samuel Pahlsson CBJ 0.85 -0.69 1.56 FD -9.17
Jerred Smithson NSH 0.45 -0.75 1.30 FD -8.35
Chris Kelly BOS 0.59 -0.54 1.01 FD -6.29
Alexei Ponikarovsky L.A 0.28 -0.68 0.86 FD -6.28
Travis Zajac N.J 0.45 -0.53 0.98 FD -6.15
Patrick Kaleta BUF 0.30 -0.56 0.90 FD -5.94

(Raw data downloaded from BehindTheNet.ca and adjusted in Excel.)

[ LEGEND: AdjFen Adjusted Fenwick number per 14.65 minutes Events F On-ice goals, shots and misses for above the league average Events A On-ice goals, shots and misses below the league average Type Player type Events T Unadjusted total number of events above or below the league average ]

Other than all the Devils, who obviously played a low-event, tight-checking game, the surprising names include Dana Tyrell from the relatively high-event Tampa Bay Lightning and Derek Dorsett, who actually played some pretty tough minutes (.525 Corsi QoC and 1.39 extra defensive starts per game) and was on the ice for just 9.24 events against per 14.65 minutes (a rough average is about 10). I've always been somewhat of a fan of Jerred Smithson and think he's an underrated player and its nice to see he ended up in the plus column though not quite out of the shadow of David Legwand and Joel Ward who put up fantastic seasons in Nashville.

Since Brian Rolston was unceremoniously shipped out of Jersey, it's worth noting that he has the best "adjusted events against" number among forwards in the National Hockey League, His PDO was just 983 which means he probably looked a lot worse than he actually was. I think he'll do fantastic on the Island and was probably a good pickup for a team that needed to spend money this summer.

Join us for our next "Player-Type Profile" as we look at the close cousin of the defensive forward: The Offensive Liability.

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Cam Charron is a BC hockey fan that writes about hockey on many different websites including this one.
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#1 BSH EricT
September 08 2011, 04:08PM
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I'm still awfully nervous about the impact of scorer bias on characterizing a player as high- or low-event.

Have you looked at home/road splits for teams like the Devils (who also had five of the fifteen lowest-event defensemen) or the Red Wings (who had a lot of high-event players)?

Relative measures (e.g. FenFRel = difference between on-ice FenF and off-ice FenF) might help smooth out some of the rink and teammate issues.

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#2 Section205
September 08 2011, 04:09PM
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I think Pahlsson is in the final year of his contract and CBJ might want to dump a little salary.

With Langkow gone, is there a potential fit for Pahlsson on the Flames?

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#3 Tach
September 08 2011, 05:38PM
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Cam,

Is the Events T column not per 14.65 minutes? What is the league average events per whatever rate is being used in that Events T column?

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#4 ChinookArch
September 08 2011, 09:19PM
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I'm looking forward to your take on the "offensive liabilities" in the league. I'll bet the sOilers forwards will be prominent on the list.

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#7 Ken Adams
September 09 2011, 01:55PM
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Cam - defensive ability cannot be determined by any ratio that is dependent on offensive production.

Furthermore, defense is not defined by the absence of events but rather the absence of CERTAIN KINDS of events.

Your analysis is flawed, and therefore inaccurate.

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#8 Ken Adams
September 09 2011, 02:07PM
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Think about this - you're the defenseman on a 2-on-1. What is the play you're supposed to make? You take away the pass.

The correct move is to allow a clean shot on goal from a dangerous position. Why? Because if that pass gets through, it's a clean shot on an open net from an even worse position.

Good defensive hockey is about making people take the shot attempts you want rather than the shot attempts they want.

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#9 Ken Adams
September 09 2011, 02:20PM
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The analysis is flawed, but what is really flawed is the model. There's a basic assumption that things that are true at the macro level are true at the micro level as well. This has not been demonstrated.

The entire reason that the original analysis was done using multiple seasons' worth of data is that it eliminated any dependence on context. You didn't need to know individual circumstances and tendencies because over thousands of games and hundreds of players these things tend to even out.

When you take it down to the individual player, you throw away so many data points that you HAVE to know the context, otherwise you can't interpret the data you have left.

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