AROUND THE NHL: WEEK ONE

Jason Gregor
October 12 2011 10:55AM

 

 

It was quite a first week in the NHL.

Winnipeg welcomed back the Jets and gave Gary Bettman a standing ovation, an agent went ballistic over a two-game suspension, Sidney Crosby didn't play, Jaromir Jagr returned, the Sabres, Leafs, Capitals, Flyers, Red Wings, Predators, Sharks and Oilers were undefeated, Don Cherry looked foolish, the Blue Jackets, Flames, and Jets went pointless, thankfully Lowetide didn't change his ways and a few players inched closer to some great achievements.

The best part about the Jets home opener is that it's over, and now we can concentrate on actual games. I'm very excited for Jets' fans, but the build up almost became too much. It was Jets, Jets, Jets everyday, and it seemed every person needed to marvel at the passion of Winnipeggers. Of course they were passionate, the fans were passionate before they left in 1996.

I did find it a bit strange how the guy they villified for years was given a hero's welcome upon his return to Winnipeg. Bettman finally made up for his mistake of letting the Jets leave without a fight fifteen years ago. He has learned from that mistake, which is why Phoenix still has a team for another six months, which is nice to see.

Welcome back Jets fans, but be prepared for a rough season. You might want to talk to some Oiler diehards on how to deal with losing, because unfortunately they've become too familiar with it for the past five seasons.

RANDOM THOUGHTS

  • I'm guessing most agree that Cherry was offside in his comments regarding Chris Nilan, Jim Thomson and Stu Grimson. The name calling was childish, and lumping Grimson in with the other two was completely inaccurate. I really wasn't surprised Cherry said what he said, because he's Cherry. That is his gig. He screwed up, and he felt the backlash for the next four of five days, but let's move on. I hope that Stu Grimson just moves on from it. Is he really going to contemplate suing the former Bruins' coach? Would anything come of it? What would it prove? That Don was out to lunch on this topic, I think most of us have already realized he was. There are much bigger issues to worry about.
     
  • I'm going to set October 30th as the line on when Crosby returns. Over or under, what do you think? I'll take over.
     
  • Eight teams have yet to lose a game, but which one will stay undefeated the longest? Will any of them match the record for most wins to start a season, 10, set by the Leafs in 1993/94? I don't see any of them going 10-0, but I'll pick the Flyers to go the longest. They have lots of home games coming up.
     
  • The Blue Jackets, Flames and Jets would really have to work hard to tie the 1943/44  Rangers' record of 11 consecutive losses to start a season. I think the Flames will go the longest, since Columbus hosts Colorado this week and the Jets' 3rd game of the year is in Phoenix. I can't see how the Karma Gods won't ensure they win in Phoenix on Saturday night.
     
  • Lowetide, the minute you conform for those who don't know you is the day your soul will die. Glad to see you are still writing great articles filled with the odd picture of a classy lady. Don't change.
     
  • Allan Walsh had quite the week. How many of you had heard of him until this week? He is an agent. He ripped the Capitals for having the gall to not start his client, Tomas Vokoun, for the season opener. Supposedly the Capitals gave Vokoun the impression when they signed him that he was going to be the starter. I guess Walsh forgot that training camp and preseason is a competition for playing time. Agents shouldn't moan publicly when their client doesn't get to play, because it makes both of them look like whiners. Then Walsh ranted and raved about another client, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, and his two-game suspension. How is highsticking a guy in the face, because he bumped you off the draw, not a suspension?

    Be better Mr. Walsh, be better. 

     
  • Like most years the early-season NHL leaderboard is filled with many names that won't be there at the end of the season. Of the current top-30 scorers in the league only five them were in the top-30 at the end of last season; Anze Kopitar, Daniel Sedin, Marty St.Louis, Eric Staal and Thomas Vanek. I saved the first week leaders and I'll see how many of them end the season in the top 30. I'll guess nine.
     
  • There will be a few personal milestones reached this season. Jarome Iginla is now 15 goals shy of 500. He is currently tied for 45 in career goals with Brian Bellows (485) and he'll pass Norm Ullman (490), Jean Ratelle (491) and Glenn Anderson (498) on his way to 500. He's also likely to pass Lanny MacDonald (500), Joe Mullen (502), Peter Bondra (503), Jean Beliveau (507), Gilbert Perrault (512) and Jeromy Roenick (513) this year. If Iginla can average 23 goals over the next five season he'll become the 18th player to score 600 goals. I think he gets there.
     
  • Iginla will be the last 500 goal man for a few seasons. Jason Arnott is next at 402, with Daniel Alfredsson at 391, Marian Hossa at 388 and Ilya Kovalchuk at 370. Arnott and Alfredsson won't play long enough to get to 500, so look for Kovalchuk to be the next player in the 500 club.
     
  • Jaromir Jagr picked up his 1,600th career point in the Flyers' season opener, and he needs 42 points to pass Joe Sakic (1,641) for 8th all-time. Jagr is currently 12th in goals with 646. He should pass Brendan Shanahan, 656, this year, and if he scores 23 goals he'll pass Luc Robitaille, 668, and sit 10th all-time.
     
  • Jagr can also become only the 12th player to register 1,000 career assists. He needs 46 helpers to join an elite group. Wayne Gretzky is first with 1,963, followed by Ron Francis (1,249), Mark Messier (1,193), Ray Bourque (1,169), Paul Coffey (1,135), Adam Oates (1,079), Steve Yzerman (1,063), Gordie Howe (1,049), Marcel Dionne (1,040), Mario Lemieux (1,033) and Joe Sakic (1,016).
     
  • Teemu Selanne, 637, trails Jagr by nine goals. Selanne will pass Dave Andreychuk, 640, and Shanahan this year. Who do you think finishes the season with more career goals, Jagr or Selanne? I'll take the Finnish Flash.
     
  • Selanne is tied for 5th in career PP goals with Mario Lemieux at 236. He trails Shanahan (237), Robitaille (247), Brett Hull (265) and Andreychuk (274). He'll be 3rd after this season.
     
  • Late last season Joe Thornton became the 78th player to reach 1,000 points. He finished the year with 1,001. No one will be getting there this year. Ray Whitney is the active leader at 927. If he scores 39 points he will pass "The Rocket", Maurice Richard (965) and move into 83rd place all-time. Not bad for a guy the Oilers put on waivers in 1997.
     
  • If Whitney plays another year after this he could reach 1,000. Arnott has 907 points, but based on his past few seasons, he'll need to play this year plus two more to get into quadruple digits.
     
  • If you care about PIMs. Matt Cooke is ten away from 1,000, Danile Carcillo needs 14 and Cory Sarich is 27 shy. Cooke will become the 356th player to spend 1,000 minutes in the sin bin/dressing room.  

Final note: For those wondering, the Ice Women of the Week runs on Fridays not Wednesday anymore. Just so you don't freak out.

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One of Canada's most versatile sports personalities. Jason hosts The Jason Gregor Show, weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m., on TSN 1260, and he writes a column every Monday in the Edmonton Journal. You can follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JasonGregor
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#1 freeze
October 12 2011, 01:03PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

There is some moral scold out there in the nation that objects to LTs well documented interest in a high calibre kind of gal. LT seemed to briefly admit defeat and swear off the lady pics, but has thankfully come back to his senses

WHAT?! That's absurd. Plenty of other places for the sensitive to go to.

Stay true LT!!

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#2 Puritania
October 12 2011, 01:53PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

There is some moral scold out there in the nation that objects to LTs well documented interest in a high calibre kind of gal. LT seemed to briefly admit defeat and swear off the lady pics, but has thankfully come back to his senses

People are such whiny buttholes, everyone needs something to get up in arms about. It is now immoral to enjoy the beauty of the female form? gtfo. If someone wants to post pictures of hunky studs they have every right to. How about if you don't like to look at those sinners' pictures how about you don't click on Lowetides articles anymore? (not directed at the poster quoted btw, just to avoid confusion)

Keep on keeping on Lowetide, don't let those crybabies who want to nerf the world get you down brother.

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#3 knobert
October 12 2011, 10:59AM
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#4 Douche Nietzsche
October 12 2011, 11:33AM
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Don Cherry is a goof and a bigot. I dont't understand why CBC still bothers to put him on the air. It is not the 80's anymore, the ignorant redneck whisky drinking quebec hating hockey fans are a minority of the Canadian hockey fans. CBC should get with the times and send Cherry back to the time of ignorance he came from. Cherry can't even string a sentence together properly and most of the times he can't even remember or prounce the name properly of the people he is talking about.

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#5 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 12 2011, 11:43AM
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Am I the only one supremely impressed by Shanahan's approach to his job? I really like how he breaks down the rules, reviews the tape and is open and straightforward with the public. it makes holding him accountable so much easier as his decisions are laid out, and I think he understands that and is welcoming criticism. it's a whole new world.

my sense is most agents are DBs, but this Walsh character seems averse to even basic knowledge of the game.

That Jagr hair is indeed amazing? how many seasons did he miss again? how would he compare against Sakic et al. if he didn't hop in and out of the league... pretty impressive.

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#6 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 12 2011, 12:19PM
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freeze wrote:

What's all this about Lowetide changing?

There is some moral scold out there in the nation that objects to LTs well documented interest in a high calibre kind of gal. LT seemed to briefly admit defeat and swear off the lady pics, but has thankfully come back to his senses

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#7 Tyler
October 12 2011, 01:23PM
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Nilan's comments were pretty unambiguous:

"The NHL should ban fighting because it’s no longer a factor in the games."

Grimson was ambiguous:

"All three of these incidents are individual. Call them random. It’s a coincidence all three were enforcers. There are many more logical reasons against fighting that people could bring up."

If I was Cherry's lawyer, I'd have him point to Grimson's comment, explain that he took it as supporting a ban on fighting and that, as Grimson says he misunderstood him, he withdraws his comment.

Nilan and Thompson have zero leg to stand on. All the media guys making fun of Cherry's lack of eloquence and general incoherence should listen to Nilan talk for thirty seconds.

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#8 Randy
October 12 2011, 02:28PM
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As far as the Cherry thing goes, there has been one thing that has puzzled me for years. That is the number of people who dismiss him is irrelevant, the Senile Old Uncle, a gasbag, etc that get all fired up when he says something inflammatory. Either his opinions are valid or they aren't. Don't pick and choose whether his opinion matters based on the topic.

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#9 Bucknuck
October 12 2011, 07:42PM
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I remember being completely stunned when they put Whitney on Waivers that year. He was the oilers best players on a lot of nights. I couldn't believe they let him go down for nothing. Those days were hard ones to understand the Oilers management. I was consistently bewildered. LIke letting Miro Satan go for a couple of nobodies, and trading Guerin for Carter. Some of it was money related, I remember, but Whitney... on waivers? come on...

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#10 Bleak Winter
October 13 2011, 10:17AM
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stevezie wrote:

"Way too early but Sidney Crosby already sits at 572 points at age 24." He's only on pace for 1144 points by the age of 48, which is pretty good, but after all this hype I was expecting a little more.

I can't believe Ray Whitney is about to score 1000 points. That's a lot of points, I've looked it up twice and I still don't believe it. That's more than Naslund, Nolan, Bondra...

Let's see... double the age since birth... double the point total, carry the one...

Hey, RNH is only on pace for 2 goals by the time he's 36... he's a little over-hyped too then. We should trade him for a pick before other teams catch on.

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#11 Max Powers - Team HME Evans
October 12 2011, 11:09AM
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Hey I actually had something to say other than the fist. Come on JG I was just reserving my spot...

Here goes again I guess.

Jagr's numbers would be that much more impressive had he stayed in the league the last few seasons.

Also Alan Walsh is a DB.

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#12 the-wolf
October 12 2011, 11:10AM
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Man I miss Jagr's old hair. Not sure why, but I'm hoping he has a successful comeback.

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#13 xis10ce
October 12 2011, 11:21AM
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Philly has Canucks, Kings and Caps to get 10straight, I figure Buff has a better chance at 10 straight with Pitts and 2xTB instead for stiff competition. Keeping in mind that come Oct.15th Crosby will still be out and Malkin may or may not be back.

As for the 11 straight L's, I hope your prediction for the longest streak on the way towards that is wrong, but then again I was talking about the odds at the Flames still making the playoffs with five games to go last season. One can always dream.

As far as Crosby is concerned, I think theres a chance he will be back pre-November, but if he his I would say it'll be by a few days at best. I would say Best Case Scenrio he'll be around for the Islanders visit to Pitts on Oct.27th, perhaps the Road game in TO on Oct.29th.

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#14 Archaeologuy
October 12 2011, 11:24AM
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I dont have a problem with Don Cherry publicly ripping people who use fighting as a scapegoat for their Drug and Alcohol problems instead of owning those issues. It's an addict's 1st instinct to blame someone or something else for their problems. The problem here is that he named a few guys who didnt do that.

Also, if he kept his rant aimed at the members of the media who leapt to the conclusion that fighting should be banned because some people who died happened to be fighters then it wouldnt have crossed a line, IMO.

3 deaths and all were different. Instead of focusing on the individuals some people have linked the only common denominator and have vilified fighting. It's wrong and disrespectful to those who passed away. But he fumbled the whole thing and instead of making a legit point Don Cherry looks like a goof.

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#15 the-wolf
October 12 2011, 11:40AM
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Cherry was right on one point though. None of those guys would've been against fighting while they were in the league making $$$ from it. It is hypocritical to now condemn it.

Personally, I wish they'd just get rid of the staged fights. It's spontaneous and emotional, great. But it's time for the 2 minute goon to go.

Frankly, I'd rather carry a shootout specialist on my team.

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#16 Darcy
October 12 2011, 11:40AM
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As for Mr. Cherry, It is time to go away. I have a grandfather in law who can not turn his head to the side or see out of his right eye. Nobody wants to seem to take away his license because it will limit his freedom. I am not sure if the family of the teenage pedestrian that bounced off his car at the intersection and walked away feel the same. At a certain point we have to take care of those who are senile or suffering from dementia, or just too stubborn to stop while they still have some self respect.

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#17 Oilerbill
October 12 2011, 11:49AM
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Cherry needs to check his yap when he starts naming names. However his point on some fighters being turncoats is bang on. Too many people out there blame their circumstances for their actions. Own the decisions you make. How many of the past fighters out there that said fighting should be taken out of the game say they wish they never played hockey or in the NHL? Or say that they would not accept a NHL job if they could go back in time. My bet is not one of them.

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#18 mayorpoop
October 12 2011, 11:55AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I dont have a problem with Don Cherry publicly ripping people who use fighting as a scapegoat for their Drug and Alcohol problems instead of owning those issues. It's an addict's 1st instinct to blame someone or something else for their problems. The problem here is that he named a few guys who didnt do that.

Also, if he kept his rant aimed at the members of the media who leapt to the conclusion that fighting should be banned because some people who died happened to be fighters then it wouldnt have crossed a line, IMO.

3 deaths and all were different. Instead of focusing on the individuals some people have linked the only common denominator and have vilified fighting. It's wrong and disrespectful to those who passed away. But he fumbled the whole thing and instead of making a legit point Don Cherry looks like a goof.

the only thing cherry shouldn't have done was name names. other than that he gets paid to have an opinion, as much as i may disagree with it.

the media can conclude whatever they want and you can preach that shoulder pads are too big (which they are) and fighting is an integral part of the game till you're blue in the face.

personally as soon as @Proteautype book comes out i'm buying it.

i don't think anyone can conclusively say that the deaths were a result of being fighters.

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#20 RexLibris
October 12 2011, 11:59AM
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I think the most noticeable thing about watching Shanahan's debut as head sheriff is how quickly he made the changes and how seamlessly he seemed to move into the position and establish what now is and isn't acceptable. The contrast only serves to further indict Campbell's time in the same position.

And how is PM Bouchard not responsible for that high-stick? He swung his stick at Calvert's face. My 10-month old might still be getting the hang of cause-and-effect but I'm pretty sure Bouchard should have that down by now. Or is his excuse the same that my little brother use to use:"I didn't mean to hit him in the face. I was aiming for his chest."

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#21 freeze
October 12 2011, 12:01PM
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What's all this about Lowetide changing?

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#23 stevezie
October 12 2011, 12:11PM
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I love Cherry and think he has a lot more valuable things ot say than Adam Proteau does, but boy was he ever wrong to pick those three names to name.

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#24 Talbot17
October 12 2011, 12:11PM
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@Archaeologuy

i agree with you

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#25 Talbot17
October 12 2011, 12:13PM
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Crosby not back till Dec. I think if pitt continues to win, why force him back?

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#26 dawgbone
October 12 2011, 12:14PM
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the-wolf wrote:

Cherry was right on one point though. None of those guys would've been against fighting while they were in the league making $$$ from it. It is hypocritical to now condemn it.

Personally, I wish they'd just get rid of the staged fights. It's spontaneous and emotional, great. But it's time for the 2 minute goon to go.

Frankly, I'd rather carry a shootout specialist on my team.

It's hypocrtical to condemn something you used to believe in but no longer do?

And for the record, all of these guys are talking about the staged goon fights because they are the ones who do most of the fighting and therefore suffered more from the effects of it.

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#27 mayorpoop
October 12 2011, 12:15PM
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i'm not sure if cherry is an institution or should be institutionalized? could go either way.

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#28 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 12 2011, 12:16PM
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just like in gov't... policy crafted to solve an isolated incident ex post facto is almost always bad policy. people are irate, want immediate action, don't think through the consequences (often unintended), etc.

we are starting to know more about brain trauma and its consequences and the nhl should look into it long term and eyes open. but reacting to isolated, if coincidentally grouped, cases is foolhardy. in this narrow respect Cherry is right to push back. but personalizing everything and acting like the house is on fire all the time in reaction to those trying to reform the game is just as irrational and leads to equally poor decisions.

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#29 dawgbone
October 12 2011, 12:18PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Am I the only one supremely impressed by Shanahan's approach to his job? I really like how he breaks down the rules, reviews the tape and is open and straightforward with the public. it makes holding him accountable so much easier as his decisions are laid out, and I think he understands that and is welcoming criticism. it's a whole new world.

my sense is most agents are DBs, but this Walsh character seems averse to even basic knowledge of the game.

That Jagr hair is indeed amazing? how many seasons did he miss again? how would he compare against Sakic et al. if he didn't hop in and out of the league... pretty impressive.

Walsh is a bit of a character.

He spent most of last season (when not tweeting about his clients achievements), tweeting about how the NHL has to protect the players and that they were failing the players by not stepping in on the headshots.

He went as far as to insinuate the players were basically too stupid on their own to learn to not do it and that the NHL would have to intervene.

That was all well and good until it was his client on the other side, now he tweets things like "Let them play the game", because apparantly swinging your stick at someone else is part of the game.

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#31 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 12 2011, 12:22PM
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@dawgbone

more broadly, I'm not entirely sure anyone should rely on an agent's analysis of the game... other than flocking to noise, how is it that this guy's opinion even bubbled up to be discussed?

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#32 dawgbone
October 12 2011, 12:30PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Grimson never said anything. Nilan was iffy, while Thomson was only guy who has stated that. He is entitled to change his mind, but that opens him up to being questioned.

The studies about fights are interesting, but Rick Martin proves you don't need to fight to have PTE...People focusing only on fighting are only looking at one element, and one that impacts a small percentage of players.

I'm not sure why that opens him up to being questioned.

Haven't we all done something in life that we looked upon later as stupid?

FTR, I'm not against fighting, I'm against the need to spend a roster spot on a guy whose only skill is fighting. If there was a way to get rid of that I'd have no issues.

I don't mind a Lecavalier - Iginla fight (2004 playoffs), but watching MacIntyre lumber around the ice for 3-4 minutes looking for someone who wants to fight sucks.

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#33 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 12 2011, 12:49PM
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@dawgbone

This sounds about right. fighting shouldn't feel like a put on for the UFC folks in the crowd... it should emulate the tempo, energy and emotion of the game.

players like MacIntyre are hard to peg... not good enough a hockey player to command serious minutes, but dominating in one narrow field... but I bet he couldn't make it as a boxer either. he's stuck in heavyweight limbo. in a way it's weird that the nhl actually provides work for his limited skill level. too bad, I like the guy

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#34 OB1 Team Yakopov - F.S.T.N.F
October 12 2011, 01:43PM
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@Tyler

Did you see Nystrom was waived? I couldn't believe it.

We don't really need him with, with Eager on the team... but I'm still hoping we grab him.

Edit: Wrong Tyler... still like to see the Oilers grab Nystrom though

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#35 Robert Vollman
October 12 2011, 02:03PM
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Will Brendan Shanahan start dishing out suspensions for mullets if Jagr gets too close to passing his career scoring mark?

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#36 Oilers21
October 12 2011, 02:23PM
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I don't think it's the least bit hypocritical to point out the safety/health issues of a job after you have stopped working there. How many people out there work a job they hate and may be unsafe because it's the only thing they feel they can do to provide the maximum benefit for themselves and their families? Of course I'm not drawing an exact parallel, but is it hypocritical for people working in a coal mine to say "hey, that job gave me lasting health problems" after they retire? Does anyone say to soldiers suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome "hey, suck it up, no one FORCED you to be a soldier and you made money at it??" Of course not. I totally get that most of it is an act but Don Cherry is ridiculous...his antics about mispronouncing French-Canadian/European names and ranting against "soft" players that don't fight are an insult to intelligent hockey fans

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#37 rindog
October 12 2011, 02:33PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I dont have a problem with Don Cherry publicly ripping people who use fighting as a scapegoat for their Drug and Alcohol problems instead of owning those issues. It's an addict's 1st instinct to blame someone or something else for their problems. The problem here is that he named a few guys who didnt do that.

Also, if he kept his rant aimed at the members of the media who leapt to the conclusion that fighting should be banned because some people who died happened to be fighters then it wouldnt have crossed a line, IMO.

3 deaths and all were different. Instead of focusing on the individuals some people have linked the only common denominator and have vilified fighting. It's wrong and disrespectful to those who passed away. But he fumbled the whole thing and instead of making a legit point Don Cherry looks like a goof.

I couldn't agree more with your first paragraph.

There are stresses and fears with all types of occupations. It is up to each individual to decide how he/she deals with the issues surrounding their jobs.

The people that argue that sometimes you don't have a choice are very weak in my opinion.

We always have a choice...ALWAYS!

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#38 Oilers21
October 12 2011, 02:35PM
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Randy wrote:

As far as the Cherry thing goes, there has been one thing that has puzzled me for years. That is the number of people who dismiss him is irrelevant, the Senile Old Uncle, a gasbag, etc that get all fired up when he says something inflammatory. Either his opinions are valid or they aren't. Don't pick and choose whether his opinion matters based on the topic.

Good point...I would guess that people don't THINK he's irrelevant as much as they WISH he was irrelevant. I mean, CBC calls it "Coach's Corner" and the man hasn't even coached in 30 years.

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#39 Milhouse Van Ched
October 12 2011, 03:05PM
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Jason: I don't think that the Winnipeg fans were standing and cheering for Gary Bettman. Keep in mind that Bettman walked out alongside Jets owners Mark Chipman and David Thomson, and with Rick Rypien's mother. Most of the cheers were probably in respect for Rypien"s mom, and then the new owners who made it possible for the return of the NHL. It would have showed little class to boo Bettman just after a tribute to Rypien, and his mom coming out to drop the puck for the first face-off. Good call on Winnipeg fans!!

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#40 mayorpoop
October 12 2011, 03:08PM
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Randy wrote:

As far as the Cherry thing goes, there has been one thing that has puzzled me for years. That is the number of people who dismiss him is irrelevant, the Senile Old Uncle, a gasbag, etc that get all fired up when he says something inflammatory. Either his opinions are valid or they aren't. Don't pick and choose whether his opinion matters based on the topic.

i disagree.

cherry says some stupid sh!t no doubt. so do i and that shouldn't mean my moments of clarity should be dismissed, nor his.

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#41 ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10
October 12 2011, 03:35PM
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I wonder how the oilers, would've done had they kept both arnott and whitney for their entire careers.. Just goes to show how u gotta be patient with a players development Ex..omark

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#42 rindog
October 12 2011, 03:42PM
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ButtermilkBiscuitsAKAoilers2k10 wrote:

I wonder how the oilers, would've done had they kept both arnott and whitney for their entire careers.. Just goes to show how u gotta be patient with a players development Ex..omark

Cleary and Chimera come to mind as well.

Although it could argued that under the coaching with the Oilers (at the time), those players would never have developed into the players they are today.

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#43 RexLibris
October 12 2011, 04:00PM
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rindog wrote:

Cleary and Chimera come to mind as well.

Although it could argued that under the coaching with the Oilers (at the time), those players would never have developed into the players they are today.

And Arnott became the player he was partly because he had to leave Edmonton. Things weren't going well for him here and I think he needed the wake-up call.

Whitney was just a case of the stupids. No different than a young Brett Hull or Martin St. Louis leaving Calgary. Every team has their skeletons in the developmental closet and they all repeat the same mantra "not gonna do THAT again"....and then they do.

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#44 book¡e
October 12 2011, 04:07PM
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RexLibris wrote:

And Arnott became the player he was partly because he had to leave Edmonton. Things weren't going well for him here and I think he needed the wake-up call.

Whitney was just a case of the stupids. No different than a young Brett Hull or Martin St. Louis leaving Calgary. Every team has their skeletons in the developmental closet and they all repeat the same mantra "not gonna do THAT again"....and then they do.

Yes, but many of us were yelling at the tv and newspaper that Low should play Whitney and that they should not trade him.

It was hard to share your hockey point of view prior to the internet.

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#45 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
October 12 2011, 04:31PM
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I once thought Don Cherry had spoken in error, but i was wrong.

This only one game in the first full week of the season, does this slow start to the Oilers shedule have anything to do with the NHL cancelling the Oilers participation in the european games that took place last week?

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#46 Smokey
October 12 2011, 04:35PM
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I've always been a Cherry fan, always willing to put up with the old school, outta lunch analysis because I'm open minded, and I like his stick. The comments on these guys were classless, unproffessional, and baseless and I don't think the "Don" deserves a pass. He threw who he concidered "the good guys," (the sorta guys hes made money on the backs on none the less) under the bus. What it teaches kids that if you want to slander someone without merit in this day and age, their ain't no consequence. Thats crap. Don should apologize and if he doesn't, well he hopefully reaps what he sows. The Don won't apologize until he has too, cause hes a stubborn old dog.

The "Don" needs to kiss the on Grim Reaper on live TV (ala Gilmour or whoever hes kissed), before the Reaper comes after him.

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#47 justDOit
October 12 2011, 04:49PM
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I fortunately missed his tirade about those former enforcers, but I did see something that had to at least equal it in stupidity.

Cherry showed a bunch of clips of baseball catchers being run over on the play from 3rd base, and likened that to the problem of headshots/concussions in the NHL.

Has Cherry lost it?! I believe so, because none of those 'athletes' running from the 3rd bag across the plate are going remotely close to the speed that the average NHL hit happens at. And they're not wearing armour on every appendage either. Sad.

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#48 Ales Hallsky
October 12 2011, 04:50PM
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"Wayne Gretzky is first with 1,963"...........THATS FRIGGIN' ASSISTS!!!! Blows my mind every time i hear that....

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#49 Romulus' Apotheosis
October 12 2011, 04:50PM
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This Cherry situation won't get resolved because Cherry and his supporters have insulated themselves from criticism by deciding the only people who have a problem with what he said are effete liberals who never watch hockey and are trying to turn the game into a tea party.

As long as you can ignore arguments by painting those who make them negatively you won't bother making counter arguments. Cherry won't engage the problem, he'll continue to rail against those he sees as enemies.

I'll be shocked if Cherry manages to reconsider his position.

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